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Haiti
by tigerlilly
2 months ago
Last updated about 1 month ago.
What are your views on the situation in Haiti? Have the yanks taken over and messed up yet again?
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
No it was an earthquake that messed it up, but easily confused with the yanks usual aftermath
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I`m talking about the aftermath Olly.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I think the yanks have taken control and maybe it will be crazy for a while, a long while. But it is a large country with virtually no infrastructure and millions of people in need of everything, the US military are without doubt the largest body with the most power at its control on the planet, they can move insurmountable volumes of aid and distribute it faster than any other group. I do take your point though, they arnt the people you would want to rescue you if you had a choice, but they can help more than anyone else and that’s what they need right now.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
They were quicker to respond to the Haiti tragedy than they were to Hurricane Katrina.
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
At the moment the american forces are being used for control. They have taken over control of the airport and are turning away aid. A lot of the aid agencies are complaining about this and people are not getting the water and shelter they need. I know Haiti is an unstable country with massive problems apart from the earth quake but surely, by now, after the tsunami and Katrina it`s obvious that we need one body to move in and organise everything instead of the chaos that ensues at every disaster.
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alanmackinnon Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
One of the things that scares me most about the Yanks taking control is that Obama has appointed George W Bush as a Special envoy to Haiti and we all know what sort of mess he created last time he was in charge of something. Not only that but I wonder how long it will take the Hatians to get the Yanks out when they have finished. All we have to hope is that America doesn’t disagree with the Haitians form of democracy.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning….about the problems in Haiti?
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
The yanks were turning away aid because there was nowere for the planes to go after landing and they needed to get some heavy lift equipment in first so they could unload the aid planes that followed. America will only stay if Haiti has some form of natural resource i.e. oil or gold, as it is it doesnt so all the yanks will leave is the bill for the rescue mission.
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Chromosome23 Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
There’s plenty of money to be made from a disaster. Has Halliburton moved in yet?
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Don`t think there`s any oil there C23 just minerals.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Don’t think they have any natural wealth of any kind, so unfortunately they will end up in dept for years to come.
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Alf-G Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
From Reports a very poor place to begin with? Just feel sorry for them. Also feel that they do not have the infrastructure to allow aid to arrive to help them? Just hope things turn around for them which will allow us to give them the full aid that they deserve. Alf.
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
On the news this morning (BBC) they interviewed a british bank worker who had just got back from Haiti. He said that most of the roads were open and he had no trouble travelling to the airport. So it`s just down to lack of organisation. I just get so upset to see babies and children suffering needlessly.
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Alf-G Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Agree poor organisation that is why hundreds if not thousands of bodies still lay in the roads blocking most aid workers reported on the BBC News also. I and many others also feel distressed at seeing people and young people suffering. Graphic picture in the tabloid the other day young child around 5 years old already deceased was being thrown from a building by someone the picture was so horrible really was. Alf.
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Terrible indeed Alf, but only the most single minded effort will preserve the living. The rapid removal of the dead and a ready supply of potable water is far more important now. We can survive a very long time without food shelter and clothing, but the dead and the lack of clean healthy water is the main key now to their deliverance from this hell on earth.
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Alf-G Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Yes agree on those points removal of the bodies is paramount and water (fresh) is paramount also. Medical aid needs to be ready made available also to the injured to prevent further losses of life. Alf.
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Chromosome23 Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I don’t mean oil or mineral wealth Tiger, I’m talking about disaster capitalism.
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Sorry Chromosome, it was the mention of Halliburton.No your right. Corrupt government officials will be first in line no doubt.
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I must with some distaste report that as soon as President Bush surfaced on that troubled isle I said to Mrs ART, "Well I wonder what Halliburton will wangle out of this tragedy?"
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theagitator Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Dick Cheny, the ex Vice President, was the Halliburton man. George W was just a front man for the oil companies, who are the real Masters of the Universe.
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Agitator, you are ever cynical and, as ever right!
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Chromosome23 Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Half agree, but the ultimate masters are the central bankers.
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alanmackinnon Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I do not think there are enough dollars flying around to interest Haliburton.
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Chromosome23 Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Why? The US government pays the bill, with a guaranteed profit built in, by the way, and the American elite gets even richer. It’s a phenomenon known as ‘disaster capitalism’ Alan. American deregulation and privatisation have passed a huge swathe of government functions out to the private sector…disaster relief being just one of them.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Totally agree with the above comments about the global elite making money off the tragedy, as they have done every time before.
But just going back to the situation in Haiti, why is it left for aid workers to organise the removal of bodies, cant the survivors do that, or are they waiting for the world to do everything. I was watching the news at 4am (couldn’t sleep) and as the food was being handed out not one person said thank you to the military guy, it costs nothing to say but means so much. I just think they could do more than sit around waiting for aid.
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, thats a tad unfair, I have seen n heard children politely saying thank you to American Soldiers n volunteers. When the ground beneath your feet collapses and your world tumbles about your ears I dare say it takes quite special folk to just swing into gear. They were never the most organised of folks at the best of times. Heaven only knows how we would perform in such dreadful circumstances. It makes our complaint about pot holes in our roads pale somewhat in its significance.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Maybe so, but even the most uneducated of people know the risks of leaving dead bodies around. The next avoidable thing to happen out there will be disease and they really don’t want that. But to just walk past them with your hand over your nose is just stupid, but like i said they are leaving it to the aid workers to organise them. A little like Zimbabwe when the whites were kicked out, they went from being a net exporter to having nothing.
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I think you are being very unfair Olly. These people are traumatised. They`ve seen things that no one should have to see and a lot of them are digging amongst the rubble with bare hands to find loved ones. Yes,the bodies need removing but where to? They need refridgerated lorries to store them in so DNA can be carried out and to do that needs organisation. Don`t forget the news reporters only show what they want you to see and at the moment they seem hell bent on only showing the seedier side i.e. looting. I think if I`d just gone through what they have and not had so much as a drink of water for nearly a week, the last thing I would say is thank you to a soldier who can carry a gun but no water.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Why on earth do they need to store them for DNA, its not really needed, they died from a quake not murder and im firly sure they know how to bury bodies, not rocket science is it. The news only showing the seedy side i.e. looting, i would say thats common sence to find whatever you can from smashed buildings, if its going to help you survive. The soldier was handing out food at a table, not walking around with a gun, they were just grabbing it and off they went, dont know about you but a little thank you costs nothing especially when you world has turned upside down, you need help and people are doing that. Maybe its just me, but im damd sure i would say thank you, every time someone gave me anything.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Saw some of the initial air drops of aid earlier. If it’s confusing the press, with reports of no ir drops, then air drops, what must it be like for the poor people on the ground!
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, DNA is needed for identification. Some, if not all, the bodies will be unidentifiable. This is what happened with the tsunami. I too saw the children being given water on the 10 o clock news last night and they all said thank you. I still stand by what I said earlier, that it needs one body to organise things. There are dozens of different aid agencies and rescue workers who are not being allowed to do their job by the american armed forces.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Maybe the DNA is being used to make Super Soldiers Olly.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Well ye i suppose your right they should keep the bodies for I.D. , lets not worry about disease and as for organising yourself into useful groups to get things done, well thats just daft when you can sit around and let someone else do it for ya.
Not sure what you been on Mike but id lay off it a while
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I just hope that you are never in that position Olly because non of us can know what it`s like to be so traumatised. Not only are they suffering extreme shock, the majority of them are greiving aswell but hey never mind it`s not effecting us so it really doesn`t matter does it?
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
If i was ever in such a situation i am sure i would not sit around waiting for others to help, but if they did come i would be grateful for any assistance. I also never said it didn’t matter cos it isn’t us in that situation. All i said is they could do more to help themselves, bury the dead, leave to the country side where farms will have food, the most important thing they need is water, this is what the aid workers will be dealing with. Every extra job the aid workers need to do or organise reduces what they can do to supply food and water, thats why the survivors must do as much as they can.
I have heard that they have started moving out of the cities, but is that because the aid workers told them to.
You must live as if nobody will help, if they do then great, but don’t ever expect it or rely on it.
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, I understand some of your sentiments. However, it is worth stating every state has a criminal and exploitative element. Haiti already was a poor, over populated basket case, before this horrible disaster struck them down further.
As to the countryside, there is only so much food available at source at any one given time. Dead animals are just carrion and highly unsafe to eat. Those surviving farmers are not going to feel some wonderful altruistic glow of humanity when all and sundry fall hungrily upon their remaining livestock. A Quake will rupture both man made and natural wells. Water will disappear from one location and possibly erupt elsewhere. Water whether free running or not, might be highly contaminated.
Dragging the dead remains of folk to the outskirts of a communal area is a very good idea and burying them is very logical, but when denied fresh water for many hours, never mind days, the human brain does not function much above the basic animal instinct for survival.
I think that never being in such an invidious and terrifying situation ourselves, we should consider ourselves to be very lucky and, for now, resist all critical thoughts.
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alanmackinnon Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Reading over some of the posts on this thread, it seems that many of you are of the opinion that a corpse is dangerous to health. Well, it may interest you to know that the only time a dead body is dangerous to the health of the living is if that body is actually infected with some disease which can be caught. There was an eminent professor on BBC news programme the other day who highlighted this erroneous view. And when you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. If a corpse is, per se, dangerous to health then how come ambulance staff, nurses, mortuary assistants and undertakers, to name but a few, don’t come down with some dreadful disease. The biggest danger of disease in the sort of disaster which Haiti has experienced is drinking bad water. Obviously, the dead should be buried as soon as is practical but they are not inherently dangerous to health.
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Alan, true enough, but any decaying matter will attract flies which will also then have great potential for cross infecting all sorts of foods and also the untreated wounds of the living injured. Also one serious matter to contend with is not only when, but where you place the dead to ground, for when underground streams and man made water courses are badly awry, you have to be certain that you do not contaminate fresh water. It is a very great nightmare.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
It was a great moment to see the lady removed from beneath the church this morning on the news. 10 days after the quake, and after a sip of water she was smiling and singing!
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I am not qualified to elaborate, but simply put… the denial of water for any living system for any length of time is highly destructive. If, and I hope it is true, these folks have come through such lengthy denial without serious loss of function then we are indeed observing miracles.
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
If, for any reason, I go without lunch,by the middle of the afternoon my blood sugar levels have dropped to the point were I get headache and tiredness. Imagine going without food and, more importantly, water for over a week.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
All we can hope is because it is so close to America that they can get some aircraft carriers there and we should see a dramatic increase in aid being brought in.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
The BBC has a map of how aid is getting to the region, Carriers are one option being utilised. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8468484.stm
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Life can be so truly perverse. What could be more cruel than being an aged grandmother preserved within a dark tomb only to be raised up to find by the light of the day that all your young are dead and lain around you? It would be far too much for me.
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
What would people say if America said, ”Stuff it, Peole will just think the worst anyway, leave them to die.”?
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Has anyone else heard of the term HAARP, if not look it up
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I fear a conspiracy theory brewing Olly. Do you really think that the HAARP instillation all the way in Alaska had something to do with the quake? The whole point of having a conspiracy theory is that someone, somewhere, has something to gain. This horrific tragedy has shown the nations of the world to be nothing short of bumbling idiots!
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Do you think the Americans made the earthquake?
They do have the technology. A machine called the Terrashudder.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Didn’t the Mythbusters team try Tesla’s earthquake machine and discover it was nothing more than a myth!
From an episode list of the show…
The MythBusters built several variations of Tesla’s "earthquake machine" using modified jackhammers, as well as a specially designed computer-controlled electromagnetic linear actuator provided by Grant. Small scale tests on metal bars were mixed, with the modified tools performing poorly while the more finely-tunable actuator produced significant vibrations in the bar. A scale test with a model of Tesla’s lab and miniature motor failed to produce any noticeable result. Finally, a large scale test using an actual bridge was attempted. The MythBusters attached the resonator to the side of a large truss bridge, which are today designed to withstand such vibrations, to see whether the entire bridge would be shaken. While the resonator did match the bridge’s frequency and produce a vibration noticeable 100 feet (30 m) away, it was not strong enough to be considered an earthquake. The MythBusters declared the myth busted.
I couldn’t find a project listing with the name "Terrashudder." Was it a civilian or defence project?
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Well if you look into it further, there are at least 8 such sites, 5 owned by the US. Rather expensive gear if they don’t do anything that could be useful.
Venezuela on the 8th January, 2010, depth 10 km Honduras on the 11th January, 2010, depth 10 km Haiti on the 12th January, 2010, depth 10 km
Also the post quakes took place in a depth about 10 kms
Just throwing something into the mix.
The term conspiracy means 2 or more people organising or discussing in secret something illegal or immoral, do you really think conspiracy’s don’t happen. Get real
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Mythbusters is good TV. Have they done one on Tesla’s coil?
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Well if the myth buster team cant do it then it must be a myth, end of
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Thats "Mythbuster".
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Kal-el no one is suggesting that but the americans have gone in, guns blazing as usual and chaos is happening. What I suggested was one disaster body who could organise all the charities and aid so that it went to the right places at the right time. I also think that if you get in quick enough with the aid you get the people on side. Leaving them to suffer while you dilly dally about only alienates you. It`s psychological, once you`ve shown them you`re there to help you organise the more able bodied victims into helping with the relief effort.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, you would be suprised at the literature I have regarding conspiracies. The image above is my book collection taken last summer.
I am not saying that conspiracies don’t happen, as I have seen recorded evidence that such events do take place, but what would be gained by who?
The Mythbusters used the Tesla Coil to create a stun-water-gun! Using the coil upped the output!
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
They needed and need help as soon as possible. The Americans are not causing the chaos. The roads damaged by the quake make it extremely hard to get through. Order is needed people will kill to stay alive.
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Thanks Mike, i’m going to keep my eye out for that one.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
According to the BBC, U2 and Jay Z have recorded a track for Haiti. Here is U2’s previous national disaster track. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srJtpTDqecI
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Well just imagine this for an instance. Asume Haiti, china and the other quakes were test ones, then Iran was hit by a massive quake sending the nation into chaos, then the US step in like superman to save them, give aid etc etc, then to help rebuild there shatterd nation they lend them money, strike a deal for them to repay it with (you guessed it) OIL. Its a theory, thats all.
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Is this the plot for the next James Bond movie?
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
If I was the neighbouring country, sharing the same island and roads I could travel unhindered and with good speed from my ports, both air and sea.
Right now I would be carrying all manner of relief aid from France, having received their diverted aircraft. This is not happening! WHY?
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
They are hardly Supermen are they. They have took over an airport, rammed it full of aid, and are having difficulty getting it out!
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I’ll answer my own question. It is the crass ineffective and stupefying ineptness on the part of humanity under stress. Heaven forfend that we in these islands ever suffer such a catastrophe.
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
The roads from the neighbouring county become extremely hazardous one inside Haiti. As was reported.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
But what a brilliant way to win a war, no fighting, your enemy loves you cos you saved them. Then you pull out to leave them to do there thing as before, but you own them until that dept is paid off.
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
What war?
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Any war
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I dont mean one is hapening now, but if and when
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
War? What is it good for?
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Feeding greedy mouths and destruction, err I mean absolutely nothing.
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, you have just accurately described American based banking’s inspired surrender terms and humiliation of Germany after the first world war. It was engineered solely to destroy our British Empire through the absolutely inevitable German backlash.
Kal-el, the roads are open and untroubled, but if this ineffective drift into starvation and anarchy continues, they will soon not be.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Very informative http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRPZOUVhJ4
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Not according to the news the other day, it stated the convoy of aid a Dom airport were having problems passing because of the roads. I haven’t followed this that much as I have just left exam season, but that is what was said on the news, bbc I believe.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
True ART and we have been there lackys ever since
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Kal-El, I watched aunty’s young man on the ground travel the length of the road earlier today. He was visibly upset and frustrated by his teams direct observations. Later on he gave another shorter report having recovered his composure, but our young man still looked incredulous.
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Kal-El how can you argue that the americans aren`t causing chaos and then tell us that you have not been following this story much?
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, I have many cousins in the US. I love them and the rest of the American people, though obviously with some exceptions. BUT… no I’ll spare us all the but!
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Good interesting video Olly, but it reminds me of the old cold war “security slips”. I would expect that a lot of what it says is possible I don’t think it can do it (yet). It also loses a lot of validity when it say’s it can be used for mind control.
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Kal-El Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Tigerlilly, if the Americans were causing the chaos the media wouldn’t show it anyway. What sense is there in them causing chaos?
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I only put it in as a thought and to see what everyone thinks. It is all over the net that is all, just thought it interesting.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
HAARP is not used for mind control HAARP is not used for mind control HAARP is not used for mind control HAARP is not used for mind control
Sorry, went a bit funny then, had an urge to go buy a copy of Catcher in the Rye
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Ok lets just say that I don`t think the americans could organise a booze up in a brewery.
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Couldn`t sorry
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AR-TONY Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
We extend the very best of our nations good wishes to the folk of that other island far off in that troubled sea. We hope n pray you will be well.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
No they couldnt, but there great at brewing trouble
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Chromosome23 Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Could be HAARP…then again it could have happened because Haiti is sat on a rather nasty fault line.
The idea that the USA banking corporations imposed a humiliating settlement on Germany at the end of the First World War in order to destroy the British Empire is total rubbish.
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ChiefDragon Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Just watched the pictures of the seven year old boy who was brought out alive, what a wonderful picture.
They said that after six days there was little hope, how wrong were they?
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tigerlilly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Wonderful wasn`t it? I get really emotional watching the news reports. Then I get so mad when someone says they didn`t realise that no aid was getting through to people 200 yds away.
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Olly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Here is a 5 part series definatly worth watching, scientists give for and against views of this new technology, with some alarming views of its potential.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGZ7Z2LQ7Xc&feature=PlayList&p=4E4003A324222695&index=0&playnext=1
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gnu Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
The earthquake in Haiti was the most powerful in over two centuries reaching a magnitude of 7.2. This would have a devastating results on the local infrastructure with the consequent effects upon the distribution of relief supplies but the question I want answered is where did I put my reading specs, I can’t find them anywhere.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I too saw the little boy and the look of joy on his face was amazing and truly awe inspiring. Some people don’t realise how lucky they are. I heard Simon Cowell on BBC this morning saying that he hoped to have a song, line up, and music written and ready for 7-10 days for the tragedy. Gordon Brown had apparently waivered the VAT on the release too!
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ChiefDragon Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
That’s good Mike…but whats the point of all this aid when it and blooming well getting through, the yanks once again mess it up.
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Chromosome23 Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Simon Cowell? Haven’t the Haitians suffered enough?
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I find it funny that Simon Cowell announced he is doing his bit for Haiti the same day as he signed John and Edward. Hopefully he will send them!
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
CheifDragon the yanks are doing the best they can, not great but the logistics of moving thousands of tons of food, water, medical equipment, machinery, people and give it to who needs it is one unbalivable task. Not for one minute am i defending the Yank’s cos as you know i dont think there so white in all this, but any organisation would struggle. But i dont think there is any other single organised force anywhere big enough or with as much moving power as them, so all we can do is send cash, then wait and see.
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ChiefDragon Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
But Olly they didn’t even know that there was a camp set up two hundred yards from the airport….and he still didn’t answer the question put by the reporter, "When are you going to feed these people"
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Not being funny but 200yards isnt far, im sure if i was in that camp i would wander over and let someone know, not just sit on my ass and wait. Have you looked at the HAARP system CD cos if you had then you would understand my thoughts on the Yanks being there.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly do you actually watch the news reports? I`m getting the impression now that the reporters are hinting that they know the americans can do more but don`t want to upset anyone. On the news this morning they interviewed a doctor from medicine sans frontiers and he was almost begging for equipment to be let in. One plane full of medical aid had been turned away 3 times to allow more troops in. After the mess they made after Katrina, they shouldn`t be allowed to organise a tea party.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I must admit i dont get to see much TV at all as i am in Holland so only get BBC1 and 2 after i finish work. Most of the news i get is from the net and you dont get the visual impact from reading the reports, but it does make you think latrelly as opposed to emotionally, maybe this is why i sound like i dont care. Makes you wonder why they need so many troops instead of aid on Haiti doesnt it, how i see it the more people the higher the cost and one day Haiti will be left with a bill for all this.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
This is the home page of Alaska based HAARP site. If you click on online data, then on the Induction Magnetometer graph. It shows what the system was outputting at any time, you may want to type in 20100110 / 11 or 12 and see what time it stopped.
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Kal-El Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Rule 4 in the how to rule the world without being seen handbook:
If you’re using a large machine for evil deeds “do not” publish it’s logs on the Internet.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Its worked with you, be open and nobody suspects it can be bad. Your won over easy as !!!
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Kal-El Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Who did i win over?
All I said is that it’s rule 4; I did not make any reference to that place you keep haarping on about. You assume too much.
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Kal-El, would that be the infamous Rule 4 1 and not the other?
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Here is one for Olly,Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez has once again accused the United States of playing God. But this time it’s Haiti’s disastrous earthquake that he thinks the U.S. was behind. Spanish newspaper ABC quotes Chavez as saying that the U.S. navy launched a weapon capable of inducing a powerful earthquake off the shore of Haiti. He adds that this time it was only a drill and the final target is … destroying and taking over Iran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9QtZkT8OBQ
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Mike it is all over the net from many different angles and like i said before it would be much easier to take control of a country, rescue them and give aid and loan them money to rebuild instead of fighting them. The technology doesnt create an earthquake, it triggers an existing one. If you think of what an earthquake is, 2 tectonic plates that want to move, but cant because of friction, this builds up massive potential energy, all you need to do is trigger it. What the technology does is similar to a microwave in your kitchen, it sends energy into the ground at a specific frequency that makes the rock vibrate, this is all that it needs to trigger the already existing fault.
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, To allow some expansion here, let us agree for the time being that such a ground breaking technology exists and where stated. See what I did there? Ha!
Now risking Chromosome23 again jumping down my throat, faster than the proverbial rat up the drain pipe, for yes, again, I cannot accurately recall the source for it was stated a long time ago… Tesla was ordered by the Canadian authorities to cease and desist all experiments in their region, for he was frightening everyone to death.
On Tesla’s death all his documents and paraphernalia were held for decades. Though a great deal was released after some serious legal tussles, no one knows how much the US kept.
Right, the existence of such technology would explain the need for such a close surveillance system as HAARP and indeed where it is at the top of the world.
North America’s settled populations are squatting down on one of the most unstable regions of the world. So unstable in fact that its Native Population abjured all recent thoughts of rebuilding permanent dwellings and elected to keep on the move.
If such a method, as others have already described, exists that can indeed trigger controlled slippage within highly tensed tectonic plates, allowing them to rub along a tad to relieve that tension, then the US would be mad to ignore such a gift.
Granting the above, then the US would try it out wherever they felt they may get away with it and indeed in so doing stick to a rigidly agreed depth over the period of each set of experiments.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
But you must always test these things first to be sure it works.
I was watching BBC news at 6 last night and saw a supermarket that had been damaged in the quake, they were putting everything back or getting ready to move it to another safer place to continue buisiness. This place was full of food enough to feed thousands, so why is it still full. After 12 days a lot of the perishables like frozen or refigerated foods will be no good anymore, so why wernt these atleast given out to the people when it was still usable in the first days of the quake.
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, your answer, as I am sure you suspect, lies in the sight of a US Machine Pistol, for the Western Powers always put the safety and protection of property way above the protection of life, unless of course it is a prized pig.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
That they do ART and always will, like i said they need to test it on someone. All i hope it there is a maker they will have to face one day, but then is he as corrupt to allow them to do these things in the first place.
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ChiefDragon Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Did anyone read about the little boy ,in todays papaer, who cycled round his local park to raise £500 and ended up raising £50,000, how wonderful.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
CD I just checked ceefax and it`s gone up to £100,000. What a fantastic little boy. Bless his cotton socks.
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ChiefDragon Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
And his bike Tiger, what an example to others.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I feel quite humble really. All I`ve done is put a couple of quid in a bucket in Morrisons.
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Shows that the British people are brilliant when catastrophe’s like this happen I just hope that those affected by this terrible disaster receive the full benefit of the money donated and not just part of it? Has for that young Lad on is bike what a brilliant young man he deserves recognition for his efforts. Alf-G
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly your right I saw that supermarket it was full of food. Yet people were clearly suffering,beggars belief that food could not have been given to the needy.Alf-G.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I can`t believe what I have just seen on itv news at 10. UN soldiers practising parades a few yards from the starving and an aid lorry that reloaded its food and took it away from the people. All the warehouses are full of food, water and medical aid and it`s not getting to the people that need it.
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
That’s Criminal. Alf-G.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I cant belive they are stopping people from digging in the rubble of fallen shops to get food, cos it is classed as looting. As far as i can see it is survival times and all ways and means to survive should be used.
The food in that shop should of been handed out, even if the owner was paid for it by the yanks. It was there in place ready to use, but now half of it will be un-usable because power was lost.
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Here are a couple of eye opening accounts, The AFP reports: Church of Scientology can heal Haiti victims: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ivwpraZNS56O4hgGIjZvs-35mC1g
The Press Association reports: Travolta and Scientologists fly aid and doctors in to Haiti: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5g09bmU0Z5TV3KCzavi6KvjvLgN2Q
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I saw that about John Travolta on the news Mike. Alf-G
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
It’s good publicity for them I suppose.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
If Scientologists don`t believe depression exists, how are they going to deal with all those traumatised people? Tell them to pull themselves together?
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Read L Ron Hubbard’s book’s to them I expect! Mind you, a couple of pages into his earlier science fiction works and I nod off!
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I have heard of them but dont know what they belive in, but all i can say is there doing something and if that makes people feel better then great.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly they`re a strange American cult that believe we are reincarnated aliens among other things
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
How do we know we are not scary thought that is. Alf-G.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
You may well be Alf…lol
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Give us Tom Cruise number tiger I need to talk to him cos you maybe right…lol
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
But they are allowed to think or belive whatever they like its a free country (for now) so long as they arnt doing any harm, and it looks to me asif they are making people feel better. They have got off there a55es gone out there and are helping people, its a lot more than you or i have done, and yet everyone is knocking them, for what, cos there a bit diferent and belive we are aliens. Have you ever thought to an alien we are aliens!!
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, speak for the’sen lad, I am only half alien on my mother’s side, but twice removed. From where? Ah, but that would be telling. At the removal of food from those long-suffering and now starving Haitian folks, I swear something deep in my heart busted.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, there`s a lot more to them than the alien thing. I made light of that because I think the situation in Haiti is more important than John Travolta taking a bit of aid in his privately owned plane and getting publicity time for it. Check them out on wikipaedia, they are odd.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Ok there a bit wierd, they belive we are "immortal spiritual beings" sounds farmiliar. At the end of the day Tigerlilly if you look hard at any religion it has basic rules, 1/ convince everyone there is a higher power usually an all knowing entity, 2/ that through praying and giving money you will become closer to it, 3/ spread the word and encourage more to join, 4/ have a text that was written by it. If you look at christians, jews, chatholics or any other they have killed millions in the name of there gods, they have become increadably rich through blackmail, extortion, rents of land and any other way possible. They pray over bones, at the feet of a man nailed to a cross and alsorts of other stuff. Some turn a blind eye to child abuse, others remove part of the female genitals and others remove part of the male genitals. And you call Scientologists wierd.
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, look again. I would not disagree with your stance re all the various brands of religious dogma. Remember though, that the word religious means to habitually do some thing in a consistent and unvarying way. The only thing Jesus, bless Him, said should be done in a religious way, in the true context of that word, is… well you know as much as I do about what He said and meant and you do not need me to harp on about it. BUT! He never asked, begged or demanded that we should go around frightening, intimidating, brainwashing, hurting and conquering one another. That is the true nature of His great difference to any who came after and all who went before. If He gave us all one major problem it was His setting the bar so very high and so many of us being so very pathetic that we are so easily drawn to others who play to all our many weaknesses.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I agree with every word Art says. No where in any religious book or text does it say we have to mutilate our, or any one elses bodies. However the scientologist are a recent cult with no historical writings who preach that Psychiatry is evil.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
To be honest i have been reading more about them and i agree they are out there with some really strange ideas and it costs an absolute fortune to get higher within the religion, but i still maintain they have as much right to belive in there Xenu guy as we have to belive in God. So long as they dont hurt anyone whats the problem, if only the same could be said of other religion’s.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I think you will find that girls around the world are circumsised at around 3 and jews circumsise boys similaly, while the catholic church allow child abuse to continue until they must shuffel the priest to another parish. Its sick and its been going on for years.
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
There are other pressing matters afoot. There are many hundreds of child trafficking and child prostitution racketeers in Haiti and there are fears, growing ever more, by the day that all those poor orphaned bairns will be now falling easy prey to these evil exploitative scum. Right this minute an evil, as great and as likely worse than the vile slavery that our own masters had their greedy, grubby grasping hands in, stalks again that benighted isle. You can pray for an all redeeming spirit to turn the hands of evil away from those bairns or, maybe like this failing Christian, join in the most awful curse upon their filthy heads and worry about our souls later.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I do know about these things but what I said was that it doesn`t tell people to do this in the bible or the Koran. Muslim boys are circumsised too but it is a custom not a religious directive. I don`t remember any one saying they have no right either to follow that `religion` or to be in Haiti. All I said was that they are odd.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
So who would you rather have over there, a group of catholic priests come to aid the souls of such young children or a group of scientologist with there crazy xenu ideas. I know which i would rather help
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
And all i said is atleast they are doing something
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
If you will allow me an aside… The whole bizarre notion of celibacy, which continues to invariably lead men into all manner of sexual aberration and the continual debauchery of bairns, has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity at all. The powers within the Roman Hierarchy discovered yonks ago that their many priests or what-have-you, you know Monks, Friars and their like, were settling their bounty, gained throughout their ministry, upon their sons. This meant very quickly and over very few generations there was developing a clique of locally powerful lay churchmen who through inheritance could stand independent of "Mother" church. So… "Mother" church banned marriage to regain control… and that was that. Now as a High Anglican, who is supposed to decry against all protestations by those who would give allowance to Homosexual and or Female Clerics, I can see the maneuvers of that same "Mother". She now welcomes our return, offering all Anglican Clerics free reign n succor within their marriages. So… there are many others within this vast unmarried Roman host who see, via future natural protest n process, their chance to regain their ancient rights to take a wife. Now that would be interesting and also very healthy for all concerned. I can see the great schism that divided us melting away to the sound of the wedding march written by a Jew who converted to Christianity. Gasp! End of tiresome rant… Sorry! Maybe then all Christian children will be free.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Art, Aside ( but give me a few minutes)
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Its not right what they say about you, ya do know stuff ;).
Well i didnt know that was the reason, iv learnt something new.
So who do you think should help them poor kids, Mr todger the local priest or Mr off his trolly the whacked out space man, them poor kids dont have much hope, never thought id say this but the yank troops are there best bet.
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Circumcision soon after birth, but within some Sub Saharan African nations at the onset of manhood, is a right of passage decreed by God as a token blood sacrifice, demanded of Abraham following the abortive sacrifice of his son to God and to be henceforth done throughout time. Islam took sections of the Torah including this directive, because of their assumption of Abraham as the head of their tribes also. The circumcision of girls occurs with the onset of puberty and is because of all manner of bizarre ideas, such as if it is not done they will be wrapped from head to foot in their own extended… well enough you can maybe guess the rest, but I would not unless you want nightmares.
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, I hope you are right. The Yanks are not afraid of using their powerful authority, but I wish they had just a tad of our hard learned subtlety.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I always believed that circumcision (male) was a hygene thing. I mean you wouldn`t want sand under your skin would you.
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Another wry twist to a tale (Ouch!)... The African tribes who practice this rough n ready ritual have been proven to be less susceptible to HIV AIDS, so other tribes from outside that tradition are going for it, big time. It is a fact that the foreskin acts as nature’s mop, catching up many diseases present within the… well, which is a bit of a …. (might have been an awful pun there) because the HIV AIDS virus is easily taken up, hence the higher survival rate of circumcised men and you, our good Tiger, being absolutely correct. Ha! And that probably includes the sand. Ouch again!
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Ye they dont do subtlety do they. As for the other stuff it sounds barbaric. It is like saying god has made us wrong and us meer mortals are putting it right. It could p155 him off.
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Olly, as ever, another very profound thought. You might well have nailed that ancient conundrum and right on the head.
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theagitator Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
It’s all a tadge unclear. Is Oily pro or anti knob job.
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Olly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I arnt pro or anti, unless they want to do it to me, then im anti. I am just saying if it is done for religious reasons, it is like saying "Hey God me old mate, you keep getting it wrong, you forgot to trim the edges again, il do it for ya this time, but could you please try harder", while he is sat there glaring down at them with pure frustration, while mumbeling "just you wait mate, telling me how to make animals, i know my stuff and you are so going to get it when you get here".
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
What really makes me laugh is most of the comments truly. These type of comments only happen at time of disaster "were so sorry" makes me emotional when I watch the news" Come on why only now? Haiti was already poor with amongst the worst living conditions in the world before this horrible disaster what did some of you do Nothing!!!Did you donate to charity to help them then cos aid workers were working there then? No so stop trying to score points with you phony sympathies. God I don’t know what people will post.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Erm… excuse me, you have no idea who or what I donate to and none of us have to answer to you of all people.
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Touched a nerve have I.
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
no
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RabC Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Shame on you BRITAIN !!!!!! the only country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed without eating, elderly going without needed meds, mentally ill without treatment, troops without proper equipment, – yet we donate £50 million to the people of Haiti
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Never a Truer word spoken!!!!!
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
You are making unfair comparisons between two entirely different processes. One, right or wrong, a Government seen by the electorate as apparently ineffective, corrupt, adrift and wasteful with their hard earned cash. The other is that same electorate, when allowed any perceived room for maneouver, reaching directly into their shrinking purse and extending their hearts across to another group of suffering islanders. Those same folks do the same thing in a heartbeat every year for their own people when given the chance.
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I do not think he is it makes sense!!
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RabC Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Art I have been to many countries such as Haiti. Whilst I have every sympathy with their suffering there are many people in these countries who are very well off and still will be, even after the earthquake. How much money do you think these people will give to those who are suffering. People power is what is needed in these countries so that everyone has an equal chance in life. Can`t see it happening though as we can`t seem to do it on our own shores
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Alf-G Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Watch out Rab you will now get a three page essay with words that will baffle you from Art!!!
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Chromosome23 Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
You might enjoy this article by John Pilger Olly..
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tigerlilly Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
That`s brilliant C23. Just confirms what I have been thinking and more. Thank you.
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Chromosome23 Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Good isn’t it? It’s confirmation of the ‘Shock Doctrine’ promulgated by Naomi Klein. You wait until a society is in shock, devastated by war or natural disaster, and then move in, deregulate industry and remove whatever rights the poor saps had while they are in no condition to resist. Hey Presto! An instant free market sweatshop on your doorstep! Watch out Chavez, your next….
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AR-TONY Submitted about 1 month ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
RabC, you must have felt sickened by Haiti’s blatant and regular exploitation of the children by their so called "Children’s Charities" n "Charitable Orphanages" and agree that the scum you have referred to will be taking ever greater n cruel advantage?
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