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1. Willow Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   Start the ball rolling Barry. What are your thoughts ?

2. barrycoleridge Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   basically its an intrusion on our privacy by an authoritarian goverment,they would increase police harassment,create suspicion on people who refuse to carry them..

3. Willow Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   I agree with you Barry. Would it make the country a safer place?

4. barrycoleridge Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   no thats a smokescreen

5. fatpuss Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   That’s no smoke screen just Roberto.

6. Willow Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   Yeh I can see where your coming from. Only honest people would carry them.

7. barrycoleridge Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   do you have any thoughts on ID cards fatpuss,or are you just going to bore everyone nto death?

8. fatpuss Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   I do have thoughts blaz, waste of time and money. Passports, official documents and government databases have proved of late to be very easy to duplicate and infiltrate. I cannot see this being any different just another database for the dishonest and government to abuse manipulate.

9. Lazarus Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   What will ID cards do or prove barry? I doubt your average criminal or terrorist is going to worry about it prior to committing a crime. And so they are clearly being debated to supress liberty. It will soon be true that it can be a crime to be just walking down the street.

   If fatpuss was halfway intelligent barry it would be amusing arguing with the chap, but it always manages to shoot itself in the foot time and again. Paw likkle fing.

10. barrycoleridge Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    i agree lazarus..

11. barrycoleridge Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    a voluntary scheme for identity cards is likely to be the thin end of the wedge,how long would it be before the courts took not carrying a card into account?

12. Red-Dragon Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    The law abiding citizen should have nothing to fear from DNA, fingerprint databases, and ID cards. For those selling age-restricted products it will make life far easier. Technology has moved on. Passports are virtually impossible to counterfeit or forge now, and ID cards will be the same. Every licenced premises or bank or shop selling age restricted goods could have a swipe machine to read the ID card such as at Passport control. Stop fearing change!

13. barrycoleridge Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    passports are not impossible to forge..neither would ID cards.

14. fatpuss Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Wounded Blazarus I thought I was at least just above half – way intelligent! Tell us Barry what will ID cards do or prove?

15. Lazarus Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    What do most under-age Americans use to buy alcohol?

    What a wonderful world you imagine us all to be living in Red. You clealy hold little value of the concept of liberty, and to be tagged to some inaccessible government/police database, which, by your admission, will be readable by banks and shops will do more to destroy civilisation than recreate it. I suppose you are an advocate of chipping new born babies as well?

16. barrycoleridge Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    prove i live in La La land with the rest of the drones..

17. Colombo Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Would terrorists carry ID cards?

18. Red-Dragon Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I’m afraid, Lazarus, it is you that is not with reality. ID cards will come. They are a good idea – especially so we can keep tags on all the naughty people out there.

    As for readers in shops etc… the reader would only identify the age of the person to the owner. Readers would have different levels of security dependent upon the holder. So, for example, a law enforcement officer would be able to glean a lot more through his/her reader than, say, the newsagent.

19. TheBreaker Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    What the reader says about the person may not be true. The card maybe in the wrong hands or the technology may have errors.

20. Lazarus Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I see Red, we have no choice on the matter, ok. Tell me, what information would you not have on an id card?

21. Red-Dragon Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Nothing – DNA, fingerprints, name, address, DOB, blood type, organ donor (or not), criminal convictions, driving licence details… there is so much that could go on it, really.

22. YourMailWill Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I have deleted great swathes of replies from this thread, where a small number of users first went off-topic, and then descended into petty squabbles and calling each other’s intellectual capabilities into question. And before any of the guilty parties sit back and think to themselves "Ha! I’ve run cirles round the other guy and now he’s in trouble"; you’re both as bad as each other. You may enjoy your little games but it makes for pretty tedious reading to anyone who is interested in the actual topic and has to wade through your childish little point-scoring exercises to get to the actual debate.

    This is not what Your Mail is for. Either you want to partake in respectful debate of the issues or you don’t. But if you don’t, don’t hijack the post and ruin it for everyone else. And if someone snipes you, don’t rise to it.

    I’d rather not be here on a Monday morning and have to read this tripe, so it would give me great pleasure to ban somebody today. Don’t give me the reason to make it you…

23. barrycoleridge Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    a certain member came in and the topic slumped I’m afraid.

24. YourMailWill Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Whoever started it, there were numerous users who kept it going. They should know who they are.

    Laying blame at another’s door can be seen as a tacit admission of one’s own guilt.

    This matter is now closed. Either contribute to the debate or keep shtum.

25. BobCarter Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Hear! Hear YourMailWill. Yet another post that degenerated into puerile drivel. Let’s hope it’s more difficult to forge ID cards then it is to have multiple-identies in YourMail. Some users would need a dozen ID cards.

26. barrycoleridge Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    so what are your opinions on ID cards Bob?

27. BobCarter Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I think YourMail should develop some system of virtual ID cards so as we don’t have to deal with those mischief-makers who hide being their multiple online identities.

28. TheBreaker Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I make no apologies anybody who attacks me will get no mercy ID card or no ID card.

    Where was the post deleting when others and me were called names and attack on other threads?

29. YourMailWill Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I have recently adopted a new, more pro-active stance on this issue. Any things which were previously allowed to stand will remain so, purely because I don’t have the time nor the inclination to go back through old posts which, although still published, are effectively dormant.

    All users are reminded that if they feel that they or anybody else has been victimised then they should email the moderators at yourmail@mailnewsmedia.co.uk Attempting to address it directly by responding to the post almost always degenerates into a petty argument and causes more problems than it solves.

30. SkyWalker Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    ID cards are a step further towards a tolitarian Britain.

    Comrade Brown will be putting barcodes on our heads next.

    ID cards would not have stopped the London bombings. Useless.

31. Willow Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Skywalker how do you know that ID cards would not have stopped the London bombings

32. Roberto Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Another infringement of our civil liberties. ID cards will not solve any problems and will be forged just like any other personal documents can be.

    Anyone that thinks they will be super secure is very gullible. If something can be manufactured, It can be forged.

33. mysti Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I have nothing to hide and would not have a problem carrying an ID card, yes they maybe forgable but then so are most other things. In this day and age of ID theft maybe having an ID card to present when using banks, chip and pin machines or opening any sort of account wouldn’t be a bad thing. I carry my photocard DL with me at all times another little piece of plastic would make no difference especially if something such as a fingerprint could be used for security as the schools are now doing to pay for lunch meals. Also maybe it’d help limit the illegal immegrants, send ‘em back if they won’t carry a card / be British.

34. theagitator Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I honestly believe that ID cards have absolutly nothing to do with state security. They are solely a method of stealth taxation. If they were to be issued free this would put an entirely different light on the matter. All governments try to be more & more inventive in the means they use to screw more & more money out of its citizens.

35. SkyWalker Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    In reply to Willow, ID cards would have not stopped the London bombings because at no time were the terrorists pulled up by the police.

    As for mysti’s comment that they will help limit the numbers of illegal immigrants, immigration can be stopped at the ports in the first place. We are an island nation. The police already have the powers to detain anyone who they think maybe an illegal immigrant.

    I am mostly against ID cards because of the expence involved. We could spend the millions it will cost on hospitals.

36. Willow Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    SkyWalker I feel unable to reply to your last comment for fear of being called a racist. Now how redicules’s is that.

37. SkyWalker Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I tell you what was daft. I went to the British grand prix a few years back after the London bombings, and they were doing bag searches.

    The security people on the gates stopped a bunch of blond women and searched their bags for 5 minutes, then let a bunch of muslim looking people straight through the gates.

    How will ID cards stop stuff like that happening?

38. Willow Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    The answer to that SkyWalker is obvious. But I cannot answer you for fear of being called a racist.

39. SkyWalker Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    How can you be labelled a racist by saying that the recent terrorist attacks were commited by muslims who are a bit darker than the population norm?

40. Willow Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    SkyWalker I personaly feel that if I say what I think, as a born and bread British national, about what is going on in this country, regarding terrorist attacks ect, ect, that I will be called a racist. WHAT IS THE ANSWER ?
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    BobM Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    It’s well worth while logging on to Wikipedia’s British national identity card for those interested in debate. Personally I dont think it will come for many years if at all. In 1963 I was issued with an Alien Crewman Landing Permit and Identification Card for entry into the USA. This was purely for immigration and work purposes, it had my date of birth, birthplace,nationality and photograph. It was also perfectly laminated, something new to me in those days, about the same size as a cigarette packet and I was quite proud of it. I carry it today still in perfect condition.There is not a national ID card in the states today.

42. black Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    why do we need a card, when we all have passports, driving licenses, national insurance cards etc.. it really is a waste not only of money, but one step closer to a big brother state.

43. SkyWalker Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    They will just end up being used to cream off another type of tax.

44. Akhenaten Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    ID cards will be acceptable ONLY if 1/ Since they are using biometrics they are a once- only requirement, and do not need to be renewed/paid for every 5-10 years as is proposed( yet another unwelcome tax!)

    2/ They are not subject to fraud/copying or error. Given Government IT mishaps, this is a big "ask" indeed!!

    3/ They should cost no more than today’s Passports, and replace them entirely, on a one-off basis

    We should only accept Government intrusion if it actually reduces costs or infallibly increases security for the law-abiding while reducing the freedom of the criminal.

    Failing the above, we should reject them out of hand, and, if HMG actually has the ten billion or so required for their introduction, have it spent on better things ; eg widespread adoption of solar water heating,especially for the poor, R&D into solving the energy/transport problems WITHOUT yet more taxation of and interference with the subject population.

    AS for security, there are too many criminals living outside HM Prisons, despite their acquaintance with authority! ID cards are no use if the innocent are inconvenienced while the guilty carry on regardless.

45. black Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    i’ve just shelled out for a new passport.. there’s no way i’m gunna pay another large amount out. i agree with all the things said above..

46. SkyWalker Submitted 3 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Vhere are vor papers?

47. ArtH Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Stuff ID Cards and the "database society". Have you any idea of the amount of information they want to put on these Devil’s Inventions? If it was just name, address & photo I could understand, even then I’d argue that’s on a Driving Licence so why bother with ID cards, but they want your last 6 addresses plus God knows how much more. This is spying on the people, and is unacceptable in a democracy, but here again the EU is not democratic and this is probably what it’s really all about, making us more "European". Well I never voted for ID Cards and never will. Get a grip of the real villains (if you lot in Government have the backbone which I very much doubt) and leave us decent folk alone.

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