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St stevens shopping centre
by barrycoleridge
2 months ago
Last updated 2 months ago.
what are your views on St stevens shopping centre,did we really need it?,is it an eyesore?
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theagitator Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
A total waste of space & money. A perfectly good car park was lost when this draughty monstrosity was erected. How many pension funds got a boost when the plans were approved.
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barrycoleridge Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
blame this stupid myopic council,why dont they concentrate on cleaning the streets up…
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fatpuss Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
blaz, have you actually been to St Stevens. Yes they got the design wrong and they forgot the tram to get people to their designated bus stop.
agipotatoe, they could always have wind assisted transport to get you from one of the centre to the other, whats the problem!
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swampduck Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I wish they had put Tesco’s at the front.IT is difficult pushing a wheelchair up a slippery slope.We couldn’t get a weeks shopping there as you have to go to the underground car park to get a taxi.I’ll just stick to ASDA in future.
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gecko2 Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
It’s Hull’s Milleniun Dome, what could of been great was designed so wrong the big names like Next only moved there as that was where the crowd would go.
There was some guy who climbed up it in the middle of the night and took some fantastic photos of it being built though. Google for him.
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swampduck Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
They are mostly stores that are beyond the average spend of most people up here anyway.I wonder if the new Quaywest will have reasonable priced shops?
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medsec Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
What is the matter with you people? Would you prefer the rotting dump that was the so-called bus station before St Stephen’s was built? If you want reasonably priced shops let’s start with Tesco and follow on with Peacocks and New Look. Or have I got this wrong and you are just enjoying a good old moan. After all this is Hull – let’s knock anything positive that is done here. I will leave you to your Meldrew-like ruminations.
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Lazarus Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
medsec, you clearly haven’t read my Tesco’s Rip Off post recently. And how, seeing as 1/4 of Whitefriargate is up for sale, is St. Stephen’s a positive thing? I suppose it could be, seeing as we can now demolish Whitefriargate and fill it up with another spanking new shopping centre and a few cafés. Get your camera ready Mike.
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mii Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
its a freezing windy cold hole what a waste of cash.they should of used the money spent on that to make more entertainment and areas for children and teenagers but thats the greedy council bah ha
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barrycoleridge Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
this burlesque idiotic council are incapable of original thought,the city streets are like sewers,i was walking towards the city centre today and someone was urinating against a bust shelter,the woman with him had her shirt off,and what are they doing…nothing.
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smky57 Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I havent been yet, a lot of people say its not up to much, so dont think I will bother.
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fatpuss Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I hate to admit it baz, certain areas of the city centre are getting very risky places to be- even in broad daylight.
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fatpuss Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Baz you should have shouted rats rats and he would have peeed down his leg the dirty mongrel.
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barrycoleridge Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
the council are a bunch of useless charlatans they pretend they care but they dont..
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theagitator Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
It appears that the new shopping centre is now getting blamed for making people urinate in public. It just goes to show what an odious building it is. Reduce it to rubble or the streets of Hull could be awash with wee. Given the state of the citys’ drains this could have serious repercussions.
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Willow Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Well said barry
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fatpuss Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Regenerating of the city centre must go hand in glove theagitator.
It is no good having state of the art bulidings if people are put off visiting the centre because of lewd and aggressive behaviour from uncontolled cretins.
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JamesAcland Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Barry Coleridges burlesque council in a bust shelter would be preferable to St. Stephens (wasn’t he stoned to death?).
As for Tescos a little birdie tells me that during the floods last year someone from the council was calling round the supermarket chains asking for financial assistance, underwear for older folks put out of their houses etc….
Most gladly helped, but Tescos wanted paying!
I too would like to know who made a killing on that deal.
James Acland.
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fatpuss Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
What who got paid in knickers!
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ChrisHolmes Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
The trouble is that Hull is light years behind most other cities in terms of its infrastructure including shops and a major employer or two that will pump the money into the city that it desperately needs. The place has suffered from years of neglect and is now only starting to rebuild itself.
Short of the IRA giving Hull a hand (I still think that was an inside job to kick start the city’s regeneration) we are in it for the long haul and its gonna be a marathon and not a sprint. It has taken Manchester the best part of ten years to get to the position it is now and that is only the city centre. Depending on who you speak to over there you will get a different perspective. Away from the glitzy, glossy new Manchester City Centre there are suburbs in a far worse position than Hull. Google Harpurhey, Moston, Salford or Wythenshawe and you will get the picture.
I can’t help but feel that now Hull is a Premiership City that this is a double-edged sword. Travelling to the likes of Newcastle we will see just how big a gap there is in the two places and I wonder what sort of impression our city will leave on its new visitors from Merseyside and elswhere. At the same time the massive leap in exposure could help. If we can extend a warm Hull welcome to our visitors then the fact that we are short of a shopping centre or two that rivals the likes of the Arndale or Eldon Centre will not matter a single iota. It’s the people that count after all.
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Lazarus Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
It is indeed light-years behind all cities of England Chris. Liverpool is spending 1 billion on the Paradise Street development, and covers a significant area of the City. With Liverpool there is a focussed objective to build and regenerate (Albert Docks, Pier Head). When this complex is complete they will move further into the city constantly regenerating and improving what lies in its way. Labour creates capital, and by investing in both large-scale housebuilding and the regeneration of the city, Liverpool is stimulating the need for private and public investment into a once forgotten city. Homes stimulate the need for consumer goods, and regenerating the city improves its outlook for inward investment and the employability of the city as a whole.
In comparisson, Hull has a piecemeal plan. One week it’s building a stadium, the next an extension to a shopping centre. There is no coordination or consultation. And if the council do not have a structured coordinated plan for the future of Hull, how likely is it a private investor is going to be willing to invest in that (lack of) plan. We only have to see Hull’s attempt at Liverpool’s grand design. For the last 8 years it has been building "luxury" flats in the city centre (while the estates rot), but there are no luxury jobs to attract premium rents. The rentable value of these properties have roughly fallen by half (BBC centre). Empty properties do little to stimulate economies, and the large number of closed or closing commercial properties in Hull is evidence that the grand plan of Hull is doing more to destroy it than regenerate it.
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ChrisHolmes Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I found this interesting take on the struggle that Manchester had to reinvent itself. In many ways we are now where Manchester was in the mid 80s. Does the article strike a chord with anyone and can you see parallels?
http://www.eyeonmanchester.com/how-manchesters-formerly-negative-image-led-to-missed-opportunities/
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drnookey Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
i think the shopping centre is a huge boost for Hull,i spend hours in there with the Mrs my she does like spending money.
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radiator4612 Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Lazarus, you say there is no masterplan for the regeneration of the city centre. But there is. We are currently 5 years into a 15 year, award winning plan by Roger Tym and Partners.
There are 5 ‘strategic development areas’(Fruit Market, Albion Square, Quay West, Queens Gardens including the college and Humber Quays) all targeting areas of market failure in the Hull economy, all linked and all complimenting each other.
St Stephens was not officially part of the masterplan, but has been incorporated into it within the designated ‘retail circuit’ of shopping centres feeding footfall into the core of the city centre.
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Wooly Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I have no Problem with another shopping centre. But why can’t we have a subway across Ferens Way and a link to the bus terminal. This is an accident waiting to happen.
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Travellingman Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Re: Wooly
This was my suggestion a while back.
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Lazarus Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
"Lazarus, you say there is no masterplan for the regeneration of the city centre."
But radiator, no I didn’t. I really think you need to open your eyes a little more.
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theagitator Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
With the record of tunnel building in this town, one under Ferensway is a definate non-starter.
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Travellingman Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
At one point I thought we were going to be left with a derelict chunk of land in the city centre for eternity. Northern Foods had relocated so the whole area would have been barren, as most of it was since the dairies left.
L.A.’s is going to rot and for a city that last saw the Luftwaffe over 60 years ago there is a worrying trend for chunks of land, and buildings left to fester, Edwin Davis’s comes to mind.
But what criticisms were centred on the K.C. Stadium once that was built, and now an extension is being considered. I really don’t know what would have made an investment company put up many millions of pound to build something other than a shopping centre on the Ferensway site that would have given them a return on their investment.
Liverpool was mentioned, the docks area, and indeed money seems to be no object there, but most of it is private money and until Hull has the panache to attract that type of investment, then its going to be an uphill struggle for many years to come.
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ChrisHolmes Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Streets are for people. We as pedestrians should not always be forced over or under the road. It would be preferable, although it is probably out of the question now, for a tunnelled entrance to the bus station to be built for the buses to pass underneath a ground level crossing. the approach that Birmingham City Council took when they lowered Queensway underneath the main pedestrian route from the Central Library to the ICC shows how it perhaps could be done.
Having said that, give me the new bus station that we have anyday over what we had before. What has been built can alsway be improved upon if necessary but at least we have somewhere decent to wait for buses now. Some people have very short term memories it seems of what used to be there!
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BobCarter Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
St Stephens (think this is the correct spelling)Shopping Centre – There’s got to be more to a city (and life!) surely, than souless shopping centres and business parks? How much shopping can a person do? How much ‘stuff’ does a person need (or should that be ‘want’?).Will there be any character left in any city? Is it all to be glass,chrome and steel? It’s all depressingly ‘more of the same’.
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barrycoleridge Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
was anyone of us asked or consulted before they built the thing?
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Travellingman Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
But who would put up the money to build something, other than a shopping centre, so that they would get a return on the investments from rents, more appartments?
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barrycoleridge Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
the whole thing encourages crass materialism..
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SkyWalker Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
materialism fuels the economy. Has done in America for years.
Thats why the economy is stalling at the moment, people don’t have the disposable income to buy tat and lounge about in restaurants.
I have even cut my McDonalds visits to 2 a week.
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Travellingman Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
If St Stephens hadn’t been built, would there still be a new Arbamarle Centre or Hull Truck Theatre? I believe these new buildings were part of the deal.
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barrycoleridge Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
its tokenism from the council,an attempt to pacify critics..
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BobCarter Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Travellingman, why do we have to have ‘a deal’ with anyone to build a new Albermarle Centre or Truck Theatre? If we can afford to build ‘things’ like to so-called artwork at the top of Spring Bank and giant TV screens then why not places of real value like the two mentioned? Are we now reduced to ‘doing deals’ with chainstores for our socially worthwhile building projects?
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Mark11 Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
The issue with Hull is that while building St Stevens is all well and good they have allowed other areas of the city centre to get worse and worse by not encouraging developers to make something of these areas. I speak about the old CO-OP store and Bladons next to it ,they havre been up for sale for years with no progress. It really makes me think that the next big project of the fruit market redevelopement will be another failure. The first thing they should do is sack everyone involved with the B.I.D and get people with forsight into Hull.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I was in St Stephens a few months back and watched a victim on the escalators outside Tesco. He was going down with the trolley when I heard "Bang Crash Someone get help!"
The poor soul never lifted his trolley at the bottom sending "Garibaldi Biscuits" and "PG Tips" for the sky!
Luckily several of the security staff rusged to his aid and rescued said beverages!
The Council could make a bit of extra cash from St Stephens, by renting it to NASA as a wind tunnel!
And were did all the bodies from St Stephens Church go?
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Colombo Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
BobC: I have just posted a shot on ‘Railways’ to compare with yours above.
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BobCarter Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
That great, Colombo. I only took mine a few days ago!
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Travellingman Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
No one has still come up with a viable project, that would require some organisation to invest many millions of pounds on the former derelict land, hope to get a return on their investment, other than a shopping precinct, however odious or ill designed it may be to some people.
If Quay 2 gets built that will be another shopping centre, that has millions of pound invested in the hope of getting a return to that investment.
Re: Bob Carter
It may be that to do deals does not seem right, but the amount of money invested in such projects come mainly from private finance, the public coffers just cannot provide for all building projects despite the fact that they may seem to waste money on projects that seem useless.
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Lazarus Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
They should build the largest possible un/covered market on the old Humber Street area, that would attract people into the city (perhaps from abroad too) and divert citizens towards that woefully neglected area; woefully neglected other than CityVision that is. What’s more, it’s cheap!
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barrow Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
It took over five years before any investment firm to show any interest in developing St.Stevens,and it only did when TESCO was the core tenant.I can not Quay West ever happening as many perceive Hull as a "poor" city to invest in.I once suggeted that St.Stevens should have a central square with cafes and bars around it with fun events in that square,and that gated lanes run from that square.One was entertainment lane with cinema and a new theatre along with Hull Truck.Another lane would have been market lane with small affordable shop units.Another would have been a designer outlet lane and the last was a supermarket lane or big shop lane.All would have shared that central square for eating and drinking in and open late,but some gated lanes could have closed when they wanted to.It could have been an exciting place to go to,but instead,we have got a small, same name, closed at five place catering for the under 30 age group.
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Colombo Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
barrow: you’ve been looking at one of the Malls in Naples. It’s in the form of a cross with cafes, selection of shops etc.
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Colombo Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
This is one of the ‘arms’ of mall. The coffee was excellent, as was the service.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
My only problem with the regeneration plan is the lack of connection between each of the elements. For example, If I get a bus to the interchange what incentive would there be to attract me to walk all the way to the old fruit market?
I would have to trudge across Castle Street for one!
What we need is a Monorail, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAk2BBhQm1o&feature=related
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barrow Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Never been to Naples.Just thought my idea would have been better with a mix of shops and entertainment with a central square serving all the gated lanes where some can close at 5 and others stay open latter.
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ChrisHolmes Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Nice find on YT Mike. There are parts of that "Monorail Song" where you can just hear the dissenting voices but with Hull accents. I wonder if the asian chap in the song comes from Hindurside?
As for connecting each of the regeneration areas in the masterplan I suggested a while ago that the introduction of free shuttle buses would be the solution to that problem. They have been introduced in Huddersfield, Wakefield, Leeds, Sheffield and Manchester and have proven very popular so much so that the Passenger Transport Executives covering those areas are actively looking at other places where they could be introduced. Here are the existing examples. Someone tell me that these are not a good idea and try and justify why. Compared to my earlier post about Merseyrail this is a much more realistic and achievable prospect.
Metroshuttle :http://www.gmpte.com/content.cfm?subcategory_id=370432
West Yorkshire: http://www.wymetro.com/BusTravel/FreeTownAndCityBuses/
South Yorkshire: http://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/Whats_New/FreeBee.htm
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ChrisHolmes Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Let me just re-post the page about Metroshuttle:
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Why not a series of tunnels! I was lucky to gain access to some of Hull’s older buildings last year, and cannot believe how much of Hull is underground!
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theagitator Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
The art of tunnel building has been lost in Hull. Besides there is so much cabling, pipes etc under Ferensway that you would be into the water table before you cleared them.
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Colombo Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Look what happened when they tried to put the new road to Bransholme in a tunnel.
If Yorkshire Water can have trouble digging a tunnel to carry water, I don’t give much chance for any one else.
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barrow Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
mike Maybe time to write a book.Or get the Hull Mail interested into publishing a book.So many on old Hull exist,but only a small print run and soon unavailable.
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MikeCovell Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
After I have finished writing, "Mike Covell’s Haunted Hull", "Jack the Ripper-From Hell, From Hull?", "Walking Haunted Hull", "JTR Newspapers From Hell, From Hull" I will get onto it!
I am also working on transcribing lots of old Hull News reports on Ghosts and Hauntings!
I went in one location and it had victorian toilets and a bricked up victorian barbershop! Another had three tunnels linking to three other locations!
In the past 2 years I have visited about 30 with underground facilities.
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