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1. Seasider Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   It’s about time that people realised that 40 years of liberalism isn’t working, and someone needs the courage to tell the handwringing do gooders that they are wrong, and address the problem with proper punishments (that won’t be popular!), instead of endlessly analysing the ‘causes’. Respect and control should be re-established.

2. Robbo Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   The problem is, how do you punish someone that doesn’t care?

3. Revs Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   I fully agree. All the woolly liberals will cry out in protest, but I think a good old fashioned boot camp would work wonders, and then enforce that with some bloomin’ tough punishments.

4. Seasider Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   Quote "The problem is, how do you punish someone that doesn’t care?"

   They arrogantly think that they are untouchable and ‘above the law’, and in some ways they are, but by repealling some of these ridiculous politically correct views, and replacing them with common sense, they can be shown that they can be controlled, and once a few see that their peers are not invincible they may be less inclined to follow their examples.

5. Robbo Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   Perhaps. And dont get me wrong, i’m all for stamping out troublesome youths, but my point is that todays culture is very different from how it was 40 years ago. I’m not convinced that the same punishments would work. It may prevent the criminal from commiting another crime for a while, but i dont think it will deter others.

   Youth culture has so many influences these days that coming down hard on them simply does not work well enough to be the solution. Whatever the authorities do to them is not a major influence in their lives.

   And there’s no point in blaming the parents. Yes its there fault, but we’re wasting our breath. Just think that 15 years from now, these youths that we’re talking about will BE the parents.

   So we’re fighting a losing battle there.

   Instead of looking at how to stop the existing behaviour, we should be looking at how to prevent it in the first place. These kids are bored! Millions more should be invested with youth projects – i dont mean more youth clubs, where they are presented with yet another authority figure. I mean projects that give the kids some control.

   A friend of mine runs an art gallery in Middlesbrough called Gallery TS1. This is funded by the council and is for kids who have just left school but dont have a job and are not in college. They have freedom to create what they want in there and they are treated like adults. Their artistic creations are helped alond by professional artists and are displayed and sold in the gallery itself, which the kids also work in.

   The adult staff there are quite streetwise and know how to talk to these kids without being condesending, and they are treated with respect because of it.

   Practically all of the kids that attend this gallery show an improvement in their attitude. The manager is constantly getting feedback from amazed parents who cant believe their child is getting out of bed of their own accord before 10am.

   You’re right by saying they shouldn’t get away with whatever they want, but punishment is only part of the answer. That needs to be reinforced with opportunities for them to do something worthwhile.

6. caveman Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   Yesterday I saw a teenage boy dressed as a "ninja" on Chicken & Pie Street. How long will it be before he is training a ninja-hoodie army and the town is over run with shuriken star flinging ne’er-do-wells? It may sound ridiculous but perhaps the police could form a Samurai Division and prepare for this kung-fu based inevitability

7. shakeandbake Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   Everyone seems to be skirting around this idea, but why not give them a good clout AND make them sit on a ‘naughty step’? This way you can keep both the liberals and the old school happy. I also really feel for the natives of Chicken & Pie Street.

8. radiator4612 Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   i hate the way the older generation like to make out that this is a brand new problem, and society was so perfectly ordered back in some glorious innocent long lost age. It’s complete rubbish. There has always been juvenile crime and delinquency in Britains inner cities. Victims of Victorian razor gangs in Liverpool and pickpockets in londons East End might have disagreed if you tried telling them otherwise.

9. shakeandbake Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   "Millions more should be invested with youth projects" – what a load of nonsense. Every successive generation had "loads more to do than we ever did"... Fair enough, juvenile crime is nothing new, but giving the power of discipline back to the police, parents, and teachers will certainly improve things. Did anyone body know that giving out lines at school is now classed as ‘torture’, and telling a disruptive child to stand in the corner with hands on head is ‘humiliation’? Neither ‘punishments’ are allowed to be carried out for these very reasons, and people wonder why kids are out of control!

10. Robbo Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    They have loads more to do in what way? Sure thay have more entertainment options – computers, tv, internet etc… How does that help then socially?

    They are much worse off regarding things that involve being part of a community or being challenged to do something worthwile.

    I agree that its pathetic to abolish punishments in schools but thinking that would bring the kinds back under control is absolutely farcical.

    At what point did they deter kids? Lines or standing in the corner? Are you serous? I imagine gangs of hoodies would be bricking it faced with writing "I must not bunk off school" 100 times.

    Its gone past that. Giving them a good clout doesn’t work anymore in most cases. This is a different generation and they behave a different way. There are certain estates in this country where the police are terrorised by gangs of kids. What do you suggest? Send in riot vans? Armed response maybe?

    Simply stating that giving more power back to authority will do the job, is just a shining beacon that you’re are so completely out of touch with youth culture.

    Do you really believe that a firm hand is all it will take to do the job? Jesus! No wonder our kids dont have a chance. The much heard and joked about teenage cry "No one understands me" obviously has never been so true.

11. Seasider Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Back in the 60’s when, OK, there was trouble but not on today’s scale, there were deterrents both corporal and capital. Now there are none, and look how much worse the problem is. All the analysing of boredom and misunderstanding cannot break away from that fundemental fact. I have been bored, I have been misunderstood, (maybe no more so than now!!), but I never beat anyone up etc. It was instilled in me that it was wrong. And I didn’t have the vast ‘must have’ items available to me as today.

12. radiator4612 Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Back in the 60’s, seaside resorts and town squares all over the country were being smashed to pieces as thousands of youths fought en masse. There is nothing on that scale today. You’ve got no right to sit on a moral high horse.

13. Robbo Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I agree to a certain extent Seasider. I mentioned in an earlier post that punishment is important but I just think that on its own, its pretty much uneffective nowadays.

    My argument is that there needs to be a balance of deterent and opportunity.

14. caveman Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    ...and my argument is for samurai cops, who wouldn’t be deterred by a 7ft tall armor plated policeman with a razor sharp katana glinting in the moonlight. It may sound ridiculous but it’d work!!

15. Seasider Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Radiator, I agree, youths fought en masse as you say. I would think that they too would be repulsed by the actions of some of today’s villains who don’t see old age, infirmity and gender as a "conscience pricker" to stop them bulldozing anybody who stops them from getting what they want.

16. Seasider Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Robbo, I understand what you saying. I think that by ignoring the controls of the past we have created a problem that cannot be curbed by their reintroduction. Certain cases have become ‘immune’. Sure there has to be some opportunity, but at the same time ‘we’ must be seen to mean business, and not just hand out ‘sweeteners’ to a very fickle community.

17. shakeandbake Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Robbo: I wasn’t suggesting we bring back hand-on-head style ‘torture’, I’m merely pointing out how even the tiniest crumb of power has been taken out of schools. In all honesty, schools are a breeding ground for ASBOs and, as usual, peer pressure has to be blamed in many cases. However, even isolating the ringleaders away from their peers is seen as a bad thing to do as it ‘could give them a complex’... I’m not just pulling this info out of thin air by the way, a close friend happens to be a secondary school teacher, and even she believes the system is far too soft. Ironically, the people who make these rules either don’t have kids of their own, or send their kids to public schools… so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

18. Robbo Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Haha! I will sir.

    I dont disagree with you at all about giving the schools more power. I just think that alone wont make a difference.

19. ktg Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    OK LETS HAVE A LOOK @ BOTH ENDS OF THE CYCLE, THERE OUR’S WHERE WE HAVE ALL HAD ENOUGH OF THE GOVERMENT LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH IT & LIMITING OUR ACTIONS BEFORE THEY CAN TAKE US TO COURT INCLUDING THE SO CALLED ASBO WICH IS SIMPLY NOT WORKING, THEN THERES THERE SIDE THERE’S NO YOUTH CLUB’S THERES NOTHING FOR THEM TO DO THE GOVERMENT DOESNT LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC MOST OF THE TIME UNLESS SOMEONE IS KILLED THEN THEY KINDA HAVE TO LISTEN OUTA PRESSURE,WE PAY OUR COUNCIL TAX WHICH HAS JUST GONE UP BY 4% SO WHERE’S THE MONEY GOING..? COINCIDENTELY THE SAME DAY THEY MADE IT PUBLIC ABOUT THE COUNCIL TAX RISE THE MP’S DEMANDED A WAGE RISE..OMG HOW DARE THEY..!! EVERY CITY IN THE UK NEEDS A MASSIVE INJECTION OF CASH TO PROVIDE A ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT THESE KIDS HAVE IN THERE PUBLIC LIVES, WHEN I WAS A KID THERE WAS JUST A COUPLE NOW I COULDNT TELL YOU WHERE THE NEAREST ONE IS & THATS NOT DOWN TO ME GETTING OLDER AS IVE GOT KIDS ITS ABOUT THE FACT THERE ALL CLOSED JUST LIKE MOST OF THE POSTOFFICES IN HULL (pRINCESS AVE/SPRINGBANK/NEWBRIDGE RD) BUT WITHOUT SIDELINING THIS COUNTRY NEEDS THE PUBLIC TO STAND UP & SHOUT OUT "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" AND FORCE THE GOVERMENT INTO BEEN MORE HONEST WHERE ALL THE MONEY’S ARE GOING,BUT IN THE SAME BREATH I DISSAGREE STRONGLEY THAT THESE KIDS SHOULD TAKE THERE BORDOM OUT ON OTHER PEOPLE THERE’S THE NET NOW ADAYS & GAME’S CONSOLE ETC…

20. itsmeagain Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Name ‘em and shame ‘em. Nothing will get through to these "kids" apart from public humiliation. Bring back the stocks. They like to intimidate individuals while they are in gangs. Turn the table put them in stocks in the middle of the town and let the individuals see who they are without their hoodies and reputations

21. Roberto Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    THE DEVIL MAKES WORK FOR IDLE HANDS!!

    I appreciate the difference in todays’s youth being more intimidating than days gone by, and also the fact that there are no ways to reprehend and control kids which are legal, including even the parents discipline. One thing remains the same however, and that is one of the root causes of groups of teenagers getting up to no good. NOTHING TO DO/BOREDOM & NO INTERESTS.

    During the 80’s myself and other pals shared a common interest MOTORBIKES. Having pals means that they will always get together and socialise, which is unfortunate for the poor souls who happen to live wherever this may be. Our little group of pals grew and grew as many people locally also rode bikes and knew someone else in our group. I could quite easily quote over 70 names from memory, and probably more if I took the time to think.

    Imagine the noise of all those motorbikes coming and going from 6pm to midnight, every night for years. Eventually as a result of complaints from residents there was a significant police prescense in the area and lots of stop checks and moving us all on, but moving kids on just gives someone else the problem and only for a short time.

    After a few years of this torment, the local residents had several meetings with various bodies, the police, local government etc, and we were invited with some of our parents to attend these meetings. One particular meeting which I will always remember was with John Precott who being such a resourceful chap said "Just let the police deal with them as they are just hooligans"

    We were however very lucky that a county councillor lived locally and championed our plight. Sue Salingar took us under her wing and even used to call us "Her Boys". She fought and fought to find a solution to both parties problems and got a great result in the end. Chapman street two wheel centre was built, and we all spent our time helping to build the tracks and get the place off the ground. Chapman street is still on the go and helping to give kids something to focus on, so I would say that opening some new youth clubs would be a good start.

22. Mrs.E Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Firmness (not harshness), stability, consistency and an ounce of love..ok ok maybe the love thing was a bit dramatic but the point is `caring` time and again bringing up my boys I came across this cold harsh uncaring system that did have a direct impact on their lives,erm…excuse me my son says he has been attacked by several youths in class, oh no he was`nt that does not happen in this school oh! ok then he must have tripped and landed in a&e do you have a `mark` for him that day? yes. umm he also has a `mark` for a&e maybe trying to be in 2 places at once confused him and caused his injuries? I am making light of it now but the point I`m trying to make is that if I was the type of parent that did`nt care or was too tired of a system that was failing I could easily have just let my boys stay `off` I did`nt but it was real hard work some days knowing that there was no recourse IF something went wrong.I can understand why some parents give up but I will never think that it would be right to do so…life is hard, its hard for everyone, we just have to do the best we can. A bit of humour would`nt go amiss either, some of these youths are sooooo serious.

23. Simon Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I think all of the above points are good (particularly the last one, after all how often have you spoken to various members of the public, and in the back of your mind thought…they should never be allowed to have children)but i’m not convinced things are that much worse now then they were 20 or 30 years ago. i think the advancements in police technology ie: cctv footage coupled with 24 hour news feeds merely bring this to our attention more than was previously possible.

24. WTF Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    The situation in this city is getting progressively worse, as I’m sure everybody can see. This is a massive shame as Hull is the city I was brought up in and love, but I’m afraid to say, I no longer like. There are many sides to this argument, as seen above; who is to blame?, who should be punished?, what should these punishments be? And what, if anything, can be done to turn this sad state of affairs around?

    I am only 21 years old, and even I can see a rapid change is undergoing in this city. I’m afraid to say that I can only see things getting worse, with an immense gang culture and knife culture sweeping the United Kingdom, it can only be a matter of time before the streets of Hull are over-run.

    It was only a little over a week ago, when two of my friends were attacked by a group of four youths, and did the authorities care less? Of course not, that question answers itself. There still has not been a police officer who has looked at the injuries, or taken statements, all my friends were left with was a crime number. Oh, how helpful! These people are still walking the streets, free to pounce on whoever they feel like; no wonder people are scared to walk the streets.

    Teachers have been stripped of their power, not able to intervene in trouble in schools, without fear of losing their jobs with claims of assault thrown in their faces. This is stupid; it should be the teachers ruling the school and the kids, not the other way around.

    Every day I see students from Winifred Holtby School bunking off, and then casually climbing over the front gates to meet their friends at break time, dressed in tracksuit bottoms. Surely these children’s’ parents know how they leave the house in the morning? They must know what the correct dress code for school is. This is where the problems start, why should the kids care when it’s obvious the parents just don’t? It is these children, the one’s whose parents just don’t give a damn, which distract others in lessons, and drag everyone else down with them. The scariest thing is, as I read in an earlier post, that these are the parents of the future, and so the cycle continues.

    I feel that the biggest cause of the problems around are not the school kids, but post school kids. The kids that didn’t care about school, and who have no drive to get a job. They spend their benefits on cheap booze, and litter the streets until god knows what time, leaving destruction and booze fuelled violence in their wake. But what are they supposed to do? They are the kids who everyone forgets about. If they had jobs, they would have to get up in the morning, and would not want to go to work with a stinking hangover, rather then just having to make it into town once a fortnight to sign on. There should be schemes in place to help these kids find work, be it at McDonalds or wherever.

    All the money which Hull City Council are spending on the rejuvenation of Hull, to make people from outside the city boundaries come to Hull, and to make Hull a better place. Hull is only going to become a better place if problems are prioritised and dealt with accordingly. Somewhere new to shop is not high on my list of priorities, and nor should it be on anybody else’s.

25. theagitator Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Give them fear & pain. It’s the only thing they understand. If the government won’t do it, how about the good old vigilante. It works in other countries.
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    Eebahgum Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    The biggest single threat to society today is not global warming but lack of respect and discipline. Fear the future.

27. avenues-si Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    The first thing that should be looked at is what punishment for any crimes in this country is handed out. If someone if found carrying a knife they simple get a softly softly ticking off, get tough on crime. If someone is carrying a knife give them some punishment that will stop them carrying it again. Make the punishments fit the crimes and maybe there will be some people who stop and think its not worth it. At moment punishments are not enough to be a deterrent. Get tough on crime Labour like you promised!

28. Robbo Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Do these punishments work though? They’re pretty tough in America. They have the third offense rule that just bangs you up for ages if you’re found guilty.

    There was that famous story of the young fella who for his third offense was caught stealing a slice of pizza – he received 25 years.

    Now its true that he wont be stealing again but its obviously not a deterent to others.

    You can get KILLED by the authorities in some states but people still commit the crimes.

    America is also notorious for its gun crime. Strict punishments have made no difference in this. The people who commit these crimes DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PUNISHMENT.

    Its really easy to say we should come down hard on them (and yes I think it would work on some people) but its not the full answer. The punishments were brutal years and years ago but the criminals still existed.

    Why are these people committing the crimes? If we work that out then we can start preventing them in the first place.

    I’m certainly not against punishment. If they’ve committed a crime then we should throw the book at them. I just dont believe it will put other people off committing the same crime.

29. theagitator Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    While violent punishment may not deter other people commiting crime, it will certainly deter the person being punished from re-offending. Don’t expect any help from politicans of any party as they are all too busy claiming expenses. The police are constrained by the PC lobby & other liberals.There is something to be said for Sharia Law as practiced in the Middle East.

30. oUtLaW1970 Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    ASBO’S are a trophy for these young idiots,the parents should be brought to book over the behaviour of their offspring and then maybe they would be less likely to palm them off on a weekend with some money for cheap beer and dope just so they can sit in the local pub and act like mindless idiots themselves. Kids will stop and think if the threat of prison looms over their beloved parents believe me!! Also if myself or my partner where threatened with a court appearance or prison stay we would certainly deal with our kids social attitudes.

31. ktg Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    "RobMason" ive noted your comments & i dissagree i belive its mainly to do with bordom & lack of things to do, but anyway you have some good points in your reply..

32. Maggie-Thatcher Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Ok people. why are you going around in circles, these yobs do it cos it makes them feel big when they are in a large group, we have all seen it they think they are invincible and take the michael out of anyone that says anything to them be it Police ar members of the public. The only way to eradicate this kind of gang culture is to fight fire with fire, the local police are out matched they can’t touch them but if we all get together and join forces we can reclaim the streets, just think large groups of adults walking the streets eradicating all these gangs, in 30 days we can have trouble free street’s and go for walks at 2am in the morning. Sounds good don’t it, well I can see it coming if a jobs worth doing then do it yourself.

33. Robbo Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    "we can reclaim the streets, just think large groups of adults walking the streets eradicating all these gangs, in 30 days we can have trouble free street’s and go for walks at 2am in the morning"

    That is completely nuts. Completely.

    Why wait for authorities to deal with any crime. Lets do it ourselves. Anyone who even LOOKS like a peadophile then lets kill them! It’ll solve loads of problems.

    Lets partol shopping centre’s looking for shoplifters and remove body parts. They had it coming. In 30 days we can have a trouble free Wilkinsons. It’ll be magical.

    Why dont we also tow away people’s vehicles ourselves if they’ve parked illegally. Or better yet, if someone is speeding then just ram them off the road. Within 30 days we can have a trouble free M62 and go for drives at 2am.

    Lets reclaim parks. Just think large groups of adults walking the park eradicating all these dogs that are leaving a little mess behind, in 30 days we can have poo free parks and go for walks at 2am in the morning.

    What a wonderful world this could be. COME ON PEOPLE – LAY DOWN ANY SENSE OF RATIONAL THOUGHT OR FAITH IN HUMANKIND!

    Lets start a vigilante gang. We can be called the Chuck Norris crime fighters. We can even wear capes. Look out 13 year olds. The "adults" are taking back whats rightfully theirs.

34. kimberley86 Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    LOL!! I want a cape too! he’s right though you carnt just go around taking the law into your own hands

35. davessay Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Wow I like all the comments, the notion of ninja vigilantes running amok really gets the mind buzzing. I think my kids must be abnormal, they are not hanging around on street corners, they have hobbies and they use the various activities that are on offer. So do many other kids, they all know each other as they all participate. This tells me something; firstly, I can give myself a pat on the back because as a family we must be doing something right, so can many other families. I am fortunate in the fact I have a job, wife the whole thing but I know of others who have different circumstances and their kids are coming along great. I expect It’s only a minority of kids that cause the problems so I would look back at their lives. Have they had the discipline they needed from their parents, did their parents deny them school trips because they could’t afford them whilst lighting up their 3rd packet of fags of the day do the kids know how to utilise facilities that are available if they need them, indeed do they know what they are missing in life. I am going to say the dreaded “National Service” now. I wasn’t around when it was in force and am so glad it isn’t compulsory now, however it would be a great way to show someone who was de-motivated another path. How can you stand on a street corner when you have experienced the discipline and life in the armed forces (and before you all say Iraq , death etc I know its risky but life is risky). Before you say anything, no I wasn’t a goody two shoes however, I did have the respect not to damage others property or intimidate others and hopefully have instilled it into my teenager and soon to be teenager.

36. Seasider Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

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    ‘The biggest single threat to society today is not global warming but lack of respect and discipline. Fear the future.’

    I agree, we haven’t yet experienced the offsprings of this feral mob, and of course it could be they who end up in positions of power. Does Kenya come to mind?

37. theagitator Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    With regard to the remarks about national service for todays idiot youth. I think it is an insult to the armed forces to wish the scum of Britain on them

38. minnie Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I live near to a park that only dog walkers and yobs use. Every Friday/ Saturday night is the same, young kids drunk ! There aged between 14 & 19. They destroy things as they walk down the road, ride stolen motorbikes and more. But instead of the council locking the park up on a night (or building on it for that matter!) they put in nice little trees and statues for the youths to p*ss up ! Nice one councillor ! I never take my young daughter there it’s a health hazard !

39. theagitator Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Perhaps the Grand Mufti of Canterbury is correct & we do need Sharia law. I’m not particulary interested in reforming the little darlings, just making them stop their destructive antics. I am convinced the only way to achieve this is through pain & fear. No doubt the P.C.crowd will not agree with this. Hopefully some day soon common sense will prevail. In this case I am convinced the end justfies the means.

40. Chromosome23 Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Quote ""we can reclaim the streets, just think large groups of adults walking the streets eradicating all these gangs, in 30 days we can have trouble free street’s and go for walks at 2am in the morning""

    Actually, that’s not such a bad idea. I remember reading a few years ago about a group of women who got fed up with prostitutes using their street to ply their trade. The locals got together and came up with a radical solution…they sat outside on the street and disrupted the flow of ‘business’! And it worked. Within weeks the ladies of the night and their customers had moved on.

    So how about it? If your street is plagued by gangs of youths, everyone go outside and watch. They won’t like it, they’ll move on. You don’t have to be violent, you just have to have a presence. These kids do whay they do because no-one has ever told them that they can’t, and if it’s not made clear to them, then they’ll go on offending because they don’t know any different. Just try it, but everyone has to do it together. That’s the way to reclaim the streets. It can’t be done by all of us simply hiding behind the curtains in our individual little castles with the telly turned up high. They are our streets as well, go out and take’em back.

41. alanmackinnon Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    With reference to the firefighter segment of this posting and having regard to the latest information which has just been published, could the firefighters not use their high pressure hoses against these barbarians and then plead self-defence. For self-defence is what it would be if they are in danger of being stoned or petrol bombed, surely. So maybe a couple of the firefighters could end up on the carpet but I feel pretty damned sure that the public would not allow these people to become victims of our ridiculous protectionism of the yob culture. It would only need a couple of injuries to make these scumbags think twice, I would imagine. After all, they are all cowards at heart or they wouldn’t hide their spotty faces behind masks, would they.

42. TTiger Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Nobody likes these scumbag youths, but nobody feels it’s their job to do somethign about it. The authorities fear the legislators whom these toerags would turn to if they were singled-out for special treatment. The public dare not risk any sort of "independent action" for fear of being banged-up by the cops, and the cops do very little because they have targets to meet and all they can normally do is move these youths on, which doesn’t count towards a target.

    We should demand that MPs see this sort of thing as a priority, get laws introduced that work, tell Brussels to clear off for once. If they do that we might even support their pay-rise claims.

43. Seasider Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Quote ‘We should demand that MPs see this sort of thing as a priority, get laws introduced that work, tell Brussels to clear off for once. If they do that we might even support their pay-rise claims.’

    Yes I don’t think things were quite so bad before we had ten years of a pro-European Prime Minister, with a human rights lawyer as a wife!

44. BobM Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I dont think we can tell Brussels to clear off, arn’t we joined at the hip or something. What about a different judiciary, what about a bit of ’’SHARIA’’. What did British justice ever do for us? Shades of Life of Brian here.

45. Bluekipper Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    A subject close to my heart. With regards to my family and my property, there is nothing I would not do in order to protect them. I get the impression that those who say that they would not intervene if they saw instances such as vandalism or assault, because they fear that the law would come down against them, are using it as a cop out. I would welcome my day in court if some one accused me of being over zealous. Doing nothing is in my opinion the worse option as it would encourage the offenders. There will be those amongst you who will say the risks involved outweigh any thoughts of doing the right thing, but my conscience would not allow me to do anything else. I abhor the bully, the big mouth, the big "I am", and it is usually one of these who leads these so called feral scum. Isolate them and the chances are that they are seen for what they are. I feel nothing but sorrow for the late Gary Newlove and his family and have respect for the guy from Hull who is reported to have faced up to a gang but unless we have people like these in our midst, then we are well and truly beaten.

46. Maggie-Thatcher Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    You have hit the nail on the head. Fight fire with fire. These gangs only take the mickey out of you if you stand up to them on your own, but mark my words, the police do nothing and these yobs are getting nastier by the day. Something must be done now if we are ever going to get this problem sorted out. Let’s start a petition right here, right now, let’s fight these nasty, vindictive,volotile, vermin and stand up and be counted. Direct action is required before we all become trapped in our own homes. Where are the Police, ill tell you they are manning their speed cameras and raking in the money from the poor motorists while people like me and you are being terrorised in our own homes and streets. Get a grip do gooders, just wait while it is you that is being beaten up by these vermin then you will see the light. The good old vigilante method will sway the tide and get back what is rightfully ours, the streets.

47. theagitator Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Well said Maggie. What about tar & feathers, It worked in Ulster during the seventies & eighties. They don’t come back for a second dose.

48. Frank-Lee Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    radiator, in the sixties every seaside resort and towncentre didn’t have gangs of youths smashing them up. There were a few incidents on south coast beaches between mods and rockers who fought with themselves, not families or passers-by. A few, for the time, hefty fines and a heavy police presence stopped it. 1964 was the only year it occurred. As for Victorian razor-gangs in Liverpool and London, they weren’t young teenagers loitering around the streets. they were adult, professional gangs of thieves.

49. MrDave Submitted 9 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I know this idea will not be popular, but I am all for Vigilante groups going out on a night and sorting out these yobs throwing stones at the fire brigade!!!
50. 

    MikeMitchell Submitted 8 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Our club www.hullkungfu.co.uk has prooved to be a valuable asset for ex gang members who want to recover after the effect of drug abuse, after the effects of violent behaviour and after basically having a bad life.

    People have many troubles in life which can be influenced by outside components.

    I would appreciate your comments for those who have heard of us to see if you think we do or can do a good job. I will do my upmost best to help people and change peoples lives. So please speak freely.

    At the end of the day we bring kids off the street and build there confidence. We even find kids employment in the youth services so they can help other young people that have been in the same situation as them.

    best regards,

    mike www.hullkungfu.co.uk

51. JulesJules Submitted 13 days ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    How many of these posters have been assassinated because of personal attack. You the few are killing this (public) forum off.

52. theagitator Submitted 12 days ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    OK JJ, I give up. How many posters have been assassinated? Please reply soon as your last response took nearly eight months.

53. Chromosome23 Submitted 12 days ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    We haven’t heard much from JohnnyNoah and Lazarus lately…have they been terminated?

54. JulesJules Submitted 12 days ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Thanks agitator – C23. The Laz is back so is kitch what happened to seasider?

55. theagitator Submitted 12 days ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I suspect some of our correspondants with potty mouths are serving a one week ban from the forum. No doubt they will return, chasened & hopefully wiser and more temperate in their language, on the expiry of their exile.

56. Colombo Submitted 11 days ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Or change their name(s), which is a bit harder to track since the last site update.

57. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 11 days ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    why would anyone want to change their name?: that’s perverse and worthy of endless discussion.

58. theagitator Submitted 11 days ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Well Mario, as one who has changed their name,please enlighten us all as to why you changed yours. As far as I can tell your nom de plume is secure on this forum, so I can see no reason,bar perversity, for a change of appelation.

59. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 11 days ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    1: amusement, entertainment

    2: seeing "mariothegibbon" printed in the newspaper [cf "1:", above]

    3: gives other posters something to go on [and on] about

    4: liberates the ideas/ opinions expressed from the tyranny of self.

    5: er….that’s it

    do you never change anything?. i can never understand why people identify with made-up names on ‘ere. surely the views expressed are the important/ interesting thing, not who is saying them. unless this is just a form of cyber-graffiti, and people are just "tagging", to see their names on screen.

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