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Hull should definitely have something like this!
by Robbo
6 months ago
Last updated 6 months ago.
Every year in Middlesbrough there is a big free music art and comedy festival. Its usually on a Sunday and 40,000 plus people attend. Its a great thing for the town.
It takes place over 8 or 9 stages all in the centre of Middlesbrough.
Would this work in Hull and where would you stage it?
The first link is to this years event and the second link shows pictures of last years.
http://www.middlesbroughmusiclive.co.uk/
http://www.tenfeettall.co.uk/mml07/index.htm
I think it would work in Hull but the council would have to invest in it. Middlesbrough council provide the main funding of this event.
The stages could be:
City Hall
Queens gardens
Victoria Square
The road along side princess quay – the one with Ask at the bottom
Lamp
and ferensway art gallery could hold an event of some kind. There is also plenty of other pubs left over in the centre to have an acoustic stage and a comedy stage.
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YourMailWill Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I’d like to see something like that. We’ve already had a few outdoor summer events in recent years which have (mostly) been successful. Which acts do yourmailers think would go down well at an event like this in Hull?
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barrow Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
The acts depend on the venueThere are some in East Park where you paid to get into,so the acts were "known" acts as they demand a high fee.There are some concerts in Queens Gardens which are free and so used local acts which were less costly.So,do we want known acts and pay,or just a good day out in Queens Gardens with local acts for nothing?
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Robbo Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
The festival in Middlesbrough have loads of known acts and thats a free festival. Its funded by the council and from smaller sponsors.
In the last few years Kasabian, Kaiser Chiefs, The Darkness, Keane, Ordinary Boys, Tony Cristie, The Proclaimers, The Cribs, Steve Harley, Bloc Party… the list goes on – have all played there.
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YourMailWill Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I was thinking of an event that featured well-known acts and also allowed local acts the opportunity to appear on the same bill.
Which famous acts would you like to see? And which local acts would complement them?
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
yes you could certainly have 2 or 3 headlining popular beat combos on a one day event, who wouldn’t cost £1,000,000 and want their dressing rooms filled with teddy bears, along with the usual plethora of up-and-comers & locals – but who? i’d only have 2 stipulations – no tribute acts [ = impersonators] or talent contest stuff.
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YourMailWill Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I usually try to stay impartial and neutral when writing on here but I have to agree. Tribute acts and covers bands have their place, but not on the same bill as acts performing original material.
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MikeCovell Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Hull has some fantastic local acts, that would give a left leg to appear at an event such as this. Whatever happened to the Rainbow Festivals in East Park? They had a mixture of music, from Rock, to Grunge, and even a dance tent!
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
well, the paddingtons are a bit famous and local so they could be in and the guitar player might bring his bird. any of the names robbo mentions would probably be pretty good [tony christie?]
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
anybody but mr.beasley, anyway!. there’s stacks of bands on thisisull.com and wacky alternative stuff – there’s be no shortage of locals: the difficult bit would be getting the right biggies. Muse, Kasabian the stuff that "young people" like.
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
WYLD STALLYNS!!!
seriously though, there’s a lot more to Hull’s music scene than just the Paddingtons. There’s a few really decent bands (and a lot of average or below average as well, but everybody’s got to start somewhere).
I reckon a stage/tent featuring the Paddingtons, the Cliques, Last People on Earth, the Neat, Cherry Cobb Cartel, the Talks, Kick Riot etc would give the famous acts a run for their money.
And that’s just in the Indie/Rock/Punk end of things…
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
why not mr beasley?
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
just an attempt at humour. they are a fine electro band. check out the trumpet player!!
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YourMailWill Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Why, thank you! (blushes)
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karl Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
These sort of things are good ideas and good for the city, but unfortunately we have council and civic leaders who don’t think the same as the populace of the city. They don’t how to advertise the city and arrange good events. There is also the cost and health and safety issues which will stop the council allowing anything like it.
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Bluekipper Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I hope my memory serves me well here. Back in the early nineties, someone off Viking tried to organise something on the lines suggested, calling it "Lark in the Park" and made plans for the Boulevard to house the occasion. As things turned out, the event was cancelled due to lack of interest from the public. One of the acts booked to perform was a little known boy band from Manchester. Another opportunity missed by this top ten city. Take That probably thought that they were destined to be has beens!
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Chromosome23 Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Idlewild. Very good band who would probably jump at the chance. And my youngest daughter would be over the moon.
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Robbo Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I think bands like Muse and Idlewild would be financially out of our league. Too be honest bands like Kasabian, Kaiser Chiefs were all on the way up when they played Middlesbrough Music Live (they were still big but not as big as they are now).
Its about getting the bands at the right time. If you look at this years line up theres a few bands that you would expect to be "the big boys" in a year or two.
And there’s a place for artists such as Tony Cristie. Sure, he’s cheesey but it also needs to appeal to the "not quite with it" masses.
MML has big credible bands (I suppose Ash is the best example there this year), and well known mainstream artists, a lot of up and coming bands with record deals and two stages dedicated to local bands. It ticks all the boxes really.
The council wouldn’t be able to organise it i doubt. They’d have to fund it or part fund it and be involved in the safety aspects but an independenty promotion and event company would have to organise it. In Middlesbrough its a company called Ten Feet Tall (I know all this rubbish because I used to work for them). It takes TFT 4 months to organise this with the council and a production company (who are responsible for the site layout, security, stage assembly etc…)
Its a massive job but so many people travel to boro for the day from all over the country. Hull council must have a budget for entertainment events. They need to start thinking a bit bigger.
The point of me bringing this up in the first place is that its done in a town VERY similar to this city. Similar crime rates and similar reputation – I think Middlesbrough stole the Worst Place To Live In The Uk crown last year. So I cant see any reason why it couldnt happen in Hull. And it would be fantastic for the city.
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I think we’re all in agreement that this sort of thing could be good for the city, but nobody has any faith in the council to be able to pull it off. They need to come up with th money and then entrust the whole thing to a company with the knowledge and experience to book the right acts and promote it properly – It is not enough to put a few posters up in the city centre and have an advert on Viking FM two weeks beforehand; as Robbo said the Middlesborough event is attended by many people from outside the city. I think this was the deciding factor in the failure of the East Park Rocks event of last year. Most people I spoke to in Hull had not heard of it until it was cancelled.
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chickenbhuna Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Robbo is right – Middlesborough is similar to Hull in many ways, and if it works there, surely it can work here. But as Harvey said, so much depends on the planning and marketing of it. Wrongly handled it could easily be killed dead before it’s even started. Why not use the same company that handles the MML? They’re already in the promotion business, have all the contacts, know what’s hot and what’s not. It’s the kind of thing a top ten city would do.
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
That’s the problem with the council; there’s all this posturing and sloganising about being a ‘top ten city’, but all that ever seems to happen is building work.
New offices and city centre apartments will feature in the reinvention of Hull (or any city) but to really attract the businesses and individuals to occupy them, you need to work on the complete package. That includes developing and nurturing the nightlife, popular entertainments and culture in general. Young professionals want it and they won’t move to a city without it. And by ‘young’ professionals I mean anyone under 35 with a decent income (the kind of person who might want to live in a new city-centre apartment, and who would work for one of the new and exciting 21st century businesses who will be occupying all the office space any day now…)
It’s not the cultural wasteland it once was but Hull still has some catching up to do. Events like this, if successfully executed, will go a long way to improve the image of Hull. This will have a knock-on effect on the rest of the local economy. I’m not saying a couple of rock concerts will be solely responsible for reversing the economic decline of the last 40 years or so, but we won’t get past a certain point without a decent cultural scene.
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
i see the grumbleweeds are at the panto this year.
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Robbo Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
"Why not use the same company that handles the MML?"
Its not a bad idea but it does take a lot of organising and it might be too much for them to organise two festivals of this size. They also have 4 or 5 weeklu clubnights that they have to keep on top of as well as plenty of one off shows.
If they did get involved then it would make sense to hold the event in Hull the day before the one in Middlesbrough (or the day after its a bank holiday Monday). That way they can book the bigger bands to play both days and that could potential mean that even bigger bands would be willing to play. Festivals are often not on a bands tour route so it makes more sense if they’re getting two gigs out of it rather than one. Hull and Boro are only two hours apart as well so its ideal.
It has done wonders for Middlesbroughs musci scene as well. Much bigger bands are willing to play throughout the year there now as the town has a good musical reputation.
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Hmmm… makes Paul and Barry seem positively highbrow.
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
so, who would your dream team gig list be ?
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
i will not tolerate, under any circumstances, anti-chuckle brotherism. no the wonder the country’s in the state it is!! why only the other day i saw a policeman in a shop, and…
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Robbo Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
In no particular order (using sort of realistically possible artists for an event like this):
Brian Jonestown Massacre, The Cribs, Frank Turner, Bill Bragg, Johanna Newson, Bright Eyes, Jamie T, Interpol, Futureheads, Kate Bush (maybe not that realistic!), Polyphonic Spree, Badly Drawn Boy, err… Rolf Harris?
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
b-d-b could play in a chip shop! how very hull would that be!! frankie boyle, comedy, kaiserchiefs, southside jonny & the asbury jukes, fratellis, zutons – that sort of thing. be nice to get one really big fish though – mark ronson?
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
"nice to get one really big fish though"
How about Reel Big Fish? Or Hootie and The Blowfish? Or Phish (off of Marillion)?
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Gill Scott Heron? Salmon Dave (I’m a Sole Man)? Captain Beefheart performing Trout Mask Replica?
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Rainbow (trout)?
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chickenbhuna Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Ah, good thinking about the next day thing. And for the company organising it, if they were doing 2 similar festivals in one weekend, maybe other costs would be reduced in a similar way? Which they could pass down to the consumer, of course, not make a bigger profit.
It would be good to include the student nightclub Asylum and their organisers in this somewhere – they have a good reputation countrywide.
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
beefheart is too ill, and in any case, is more interested in painting these days. gil scott-heron: he could be televised on the big screen!. sigh, for "big fish" please read major act. [gil scott-herring?, couldn’t resist -sorry!]
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
On the subject of Asylum, I think the venue itself is a little out of the way to include in something like this; you need to have locations within walking distance of each other and transport links.
Robbo’s suggestions for venues were about right; I’d have two main stages at either end of Queen’s Gardens and another in Victoria Square, plus City Hall, New Theatre and Hull Truck could get involved, as well as a number of pubs/clubs for the smaller events.
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
albion street car park? around the marina?, but i suppose the residents would complain as they did about the jazz festival.
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Another option would be to have it either at KC Stadium / West Park / Walton St fairground / Gemtec Arena.
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Harvey Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I think the city centre option would be better though purely for the bus/rail links
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
it would be much more of an inclusive event if such a festival was held in the open around the city centre, rather than kind of sealed off at the kc: could use their car parking though.
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Robbo Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
"Which they could pass down to the consumer, of course, not make a bigger profit"
Its a free festival so there is no cost to pass down to the consumer.I’m sure ten feet tall make some money from the council for doing all the hard work but its more about just doing something great rather than making a load of money.
People just turn up and providing the venue/outdoor stage is not at full capacity then they can waltz right in – unless they look like trouble.
I agree that it would work better in the city centre and its very important that all the stages are really close. There would also need to be a large area for band/crew parking. There’s a lot of equipment that needs to be squeezed in and a lot of tour buses and vans. Where would that be? The only place I can think of is the big car park where the bus station was located for a while. But then each bus or van would have to be nearer the stage to load their gear on and off – but they could park in the main cap park at other times.
Then we’d have to consider toilets, first aid, police…loads of things.
Thankfully my only involvement with the m/boro one now is that I turn up on the day to manage one of the stages (get bands on and off in time, pay them etc…) and even that is a nightmare. Its worth it though but i dont miss the build up to it!
I think it would take a promotion company going to the council with the idea and listing the problems and the solutions before the council would even consider it. I cant imagine them thinking about it otherwise. Even if we put the idea to them, would they be enthusiastic enough to pursue it?
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chickenbhuna Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
"its a free festival" Yeah, sorry, I forgot. Always expecting people to stick a price ticket on things.
Maybe the council would consider it if the company concerned could present a ready-made plan with all the details already considered, including risk assessments etc. Maybe part of that plan could be taking an opinion poll in Hull to see whether there was enough enthusiasm for the idea. Or is that too risky?
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Robbo Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Maybe but as most of Hull dont vote for actual elections it may be asking a lot for them to voice their opinions about this.
Is there an online council ideas (in)box of sorts anywhere? I’d be quite happy to put forward a suggestion for this to happen – (it’ll have to be next year now though)
By the way, if anyone wants to go to MML this year its on Sunday 1st June. You might even see me there – i’ll be the sweaty stressed out chap standing next to a stage, arguing with a tour manager.
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
..bob marley and the "whalers", cod stewart, fishbone ash, tadpole tudor, julian bream, robert plankton, skate bush, diana krill and her husband shellfish costello etc., etc…
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
BBC NEWS FEB 17 2008:
Fish Spawn Love Of Loud Music:
Fans of loud rock music could owe their love of noise to fish, scientists say.
Researchers at Manchester University say rockers may be responding to a pleasure-inducing hearing mechanism passed down through millions of years of evolution from fish to humans.
They found part of the balance-regulating vestibular system in the inner ear, known as the sacculus, responds to sound frequencies that predominate in music.
The inner ear holds secret for music loversThe sacculus is not thought to have any hearing function in humans and only appears to be sensitive to loud volumes, above 90 decibels
Team leader Neil Todd, an expert in music perception, told New Scientist magazine: "This primitive hearing mechanism from our vertebrate ancestors appears to have been conserved as a vestigial sense in humans."
He said the sacculus has a connection to the part of the brain responsible for drives such as hunger, sex and hedonistic responses.
"A classic example is the haddock mating call which encourages the fish to produce sperm and eggs," he said.
"The distribution of frequencies that are typical in rock concerts and at dance clubs almost seem designed to stimulate the sacculus," Mr Todd said.
"They are absolutely smack bang in this range of sensitivity."
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
..neil finn, hake thackeray, cliff pilchard, tina turbot..
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
...ling crosby, jimi hendrix singing "trawler long the watchtower"...
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Robbo Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Ok Ed, STEP AWAY FROM THE PUN.
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
phew, thanks robbo. you know how it is once you get in the zone.
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Chromosome23 Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Quote Ed "..bob marley and the "whalers", "
Okay, but only if they do a cover version of ‘Everyone’s got something to hide except me and my minke’
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barrow Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I say get Edgee to headline the concert
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TheBreaker Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Only if we can come armed with rotten fruit!
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barrow Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Pack East Park out then
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MarioTheGibbon Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
"Only if we can come armed with rotten fruit!" – arriving at a concert pre-armed with organic matter to project towards the stage, suggests a political rather than artistic motive. i would have no problem headlining such an event.
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Greymorton Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Nothing wrong with great live bands. I love them. But I`ve often though that a city like this should take a leaf out of some Spanish cities book. If any of you use you tube go to their site and type "Ultima Mascleta," & click on icon no. 2 down ( I think ). It is beyond belief. And I`ve heard it live.
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Greymorton Submitted 6 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Oh, I see my comment was a show – stopper !! What I`m saying is, why should Hull restrict itslef to `music events.?` Eg, why not cellebrate the fo9unding of the City with something really spectacular ? Like the loudest pyrotechnic display one could possibly put up with ? I know it sounds like a crazy idea ! But, like I said… ( see my comment above; and see the video in YT ). An event like a `mascleta` would pull people in from every corner of the globe – never mind country. I`m thinking big !
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