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1. Colombo Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   I wouldn’t hold much hope for a cut and cover tunnel. Their record is not very good at digging tunnels. Look what happened when Yorkshire Water tunnelled in this area.

2. TheBreaker Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   I heard they couldn’t stop it leaking and cancelled it.

3. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   the population.

4. Robbo Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   hahahahahaha!

5. YourMailWill Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   The negative attitudes some people have

6. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   "The negative attitudes some people have" – is the reason that the population needs changing

7. LittleSquishy Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   I’d employ someone to take up all the chewing gum off the floor. It’s unsightly and dirty. They’d work a typical 9 to 5 job 5 days a week, I’m pretty sure there would always be work for them.

8. Willow Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   Julie-Spamdust in what way do you think the people of of Hull are negative?
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   Lazarus Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

   Everything!

10. Oscalet Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Less traffic, more bikes – you’re right about the bike lanes, but it would help if people didn’t persist in parking in bike lanes so you have to swing in and out of the traffic.

    Fewer chainstores and crappy pound shops, more interesting and independent small shops.

    Less dog dirt and broken glass would be nice.

11. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    willow, in virtually every way imagineable. ceaseless small – minded moaning about every molecule of their lives. try and overhear "conversations" next time you are out. arriving back here from anywhere else by train, there is a palbable sense of un-ambition and resentment the second you step onto the platform. there is also the "i hate it ‘cos it’s new" brigade [cf st stephens] etc etc etc

12. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    "Fewer chainstores and crappy pound shops" – where would larkin’s "cut price crowd" go?

13. Willow Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Julie-Spamdust next time you go somewhere, do yourself and Hull a favour and don’t come back.

14. ChiefDragon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I think Julie that if you listen to conversations in any town or city in England the people would always find something to moan about, so Hull is no different.Life’s what you make of it and I for one love this city.

15. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    that’s exactly the thing i’m on about wiillooww – resentful and defensive utterances. i like hull cheapdragoon, but the posta asks what we would change in hull. and despite what you say the moaning here, in this big village near leeds, is like a part of breathing – in, moan, in, moan.

16. Robbo Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I’ve got to agree with the old Spamdust

    Its a negative place Hull. Just look at some of the threads on here.

    I’ve lived here 3 years so I have an outsiders view point – you can make your mind up as to whether thats an advantage or not in this instance. In my opinion this city is very very opposed to change.

    Plenty of people complain that we’re behind cities like Leeds/Manchester but very very few people actually try to change that. The few that do try to do something different are met with a "thats never going to work round here" type of attitude.

17. Willow Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Don’t agree with you at all Julie-Spamdust. I like Hull and in general the people that live here. Not resentfull of anything or anybody. If you think it’s so bad why are you here, or haven’t you got enough about you to get up and go.

18. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    you don’t agree willow, so resort to remarks about personal motivation – how very "hull" of you. i like hull aswell, but the Great Moancloud that shrouds the place is probably visible from space.

19. TheBreaker Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Hull’s great just don’t look people in the eyes.

20. Willow Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Quote Julie-Spamdust "where would the Larkins cut price crowd go" Is Hull the only place with pound shops. Are you a snob? Do you think you are better than everyone else in Hull?

21. ChiefDragon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Quite frankly Julie I think that some of us should stand up and be counted,if I wasn’t too old I’d stand for councillor.I think they have built St. Stephens at the cost of Whitefriargate they have these bright ideas for regeneration but never seem to take on board suggestions from the ‘common’ man. We need to regenerate the old town as a market and the good shopping area it once was. We also need to give the young people of this city somewhere to go and let off steam, give them an area where they can express themselves albeit a place to ‘do their graffiti’ I think some of the graffiti I have seen on derelict buildings is quite colourful and cheerful. The council are putting up flats in the old town but lets face it they sell for prices you and I could never afford.The ferry rides up and down the Humber were abolished and nothing replaced it. Where have all the dance halls gone? I love a goodnight out, even at my age,but all we seem to have now are cafe bars for the student culture. LA’s closed down and nothing replaced it,Romeo & Juliets has gone and nothing replaced it,if I correctly remember they held dance nights for under eighteens, where do they go now? I don’t know if this is what the original post meant by change Hull but we just seem to be stagnating into a staging post for foreign immigrants and even they don’t seem to want to stay.I have no problem with them wanting to be here just as long as it’s not at the expense of the citizen’s of Hull,we should be one big melting pot working to make this a vibrant city.

    Oh dear! am I ranting now? Soz. :)

22. ChiefDragon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    To Dragon killer- always look people in the eye,it makes you look shifty otherwise. And give ‘em a smile it might be the only nice thing that has happened to them that day.

23. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    1 no, i don’t think i am a snob.

    2 your "quote" is not what i said: please read the posts properly. i was referring to the famous poet, philip larkin, who described the populace of hull in the 1950’s as "a cut-price crowd" in one of his poems.

    3 hull is not the only place with pound shops: but these were mentioned first by the poster Oscalet who wants fewer of them as they make hull look even more of a dump.

    4 i do not think i am better than everyone else in hull – just most of ‘em [IRONY ALERT…IRONY ALERT]. OK? now stop being so defensive and hull-like.

    next week it’s the council elections. now, given the wittering on here about "council this….council that…" i expect a 95% turnout – but there won’t be because moaning is easier than taking action.

24. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    ..too many dragons on here….will St. George come and save us?

25. Colombo Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Interesting about graffitti. One of my nephews included it in an Arts course on which he was lecturing at Scarborough College some years ago. Some of the graduates from that course are now employed, creating the graphics for computer games and commercials. One of them designs wallpaper. Who knows, you might have graffitti on your interior walls

26. Willow Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Julie, just out of intrest, where you born in Hull?

27. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    suite101.com larkin’s poem here -

    “Here domes and statues, spires and cranes cluster / Beside grain-scattered streets, barge-crowded water.” He also sees the residents and reports on how they got there, “brought down / The dead straight miles by stealing flat-faced trolleys, / Push through plate-glass swing doors to their desires.” He then catalogues other items: “Cheap suits, red kitchen-ware, sharp shoes, iced lollies, / Electric mixers, toasters, washers, driers.”

    Third Stanza In the third stanza, he qualifies the residents as “A cut-price crowd, urban yet simple, dwelling / Where only salesmen and relations come.” And once again, he catalogues what he sees: “Pastoral of ships up streets, the slave museum, Tattoo-shops, consulates, grim head-scarfed wives.” The town the speaker is describing is Hull, a city in northeast England, and the “slave museum” refers to the home of the abolitionist William Wilberforce.

28. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Willow, why?

29. Willow Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Curious

30. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    my name is julie spamdust and i am from hull – sounds like an introduction at a self-help group – so the answer to your curiousness is "yes".

31. Willow Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Got to be honest with you Julie, I also get annoyed about people moaning, usualy about prices. They always want things cheaper and always seem to know where they can get it cheaper. There is no thought as to where it has come from. No thought as to the fact that some poor downtroden peasant has been squeezed even further by some big multinational just so that shoppers can have lower prices and they can have bigger profits.

32. ChiefDragon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Sorry Julie if too many dragons upset you,shall I change my post name? I chose it because that’s what my husband and the kids call me,I’m a pussycat really lol.

    My aunt had a motto which was ‘always be a radiator and not a drain’.I see the good in everyone (a bit Mary Poppins I know) till they kick me in the teeth then self preservation kicks in. We seem to live in a gimme, gimme, gimme and then gimme some more society, how do we change it? Pass. Perhaps the cloud of gloom and doom will pass when the sun comes out :). My votes in the post by the way,never miss it.

33. Willow Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Julie is that your real name "Spamdust"

34. Freedoddy Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    One thing thats common with many places i visit, the references to the past. The "how things were" preoccupations. Now, perception of the area from outside is a grim, gritty, city of spongers, partly obsessed with the loss of its fishing industry. Whilst celebrating an areas heritage is necessary for historical reasons, it can sometimes hold it back. I’ve heard enough stories about fishing to last me a lifetime to be honest. If the indigineous population can’t get it out of its mindset, how do we expect others to change their impression. So, that would be my suggestion, the "constantly looking to the past" attitude…can we leave that in the past so that we can progress?

    For the record, I wasn’t born here so have experience of outsiders views of the place.

35. smky57 Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    i was born here in 1957, and yes i moan, but most people do, what would i change about hull, well thats easy "the council" and yes i will be out on May 1st to do my duty and vote, hopefully for the better.

36. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    what’s the emoticon for "i am incredulous at your question"?. neither julie nor spamdust are my real name.

    "grim, gritty, city of spongers, partly obsessed with the loss of its fishing industry…" the doddster is right, i’m afraid.

37. Chromosome23 Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Quote Julie "The town the speaker is describing is Hull, a city in northeast England,"

    Yeah, but it’s important to remember that Larkin was speaking about the provincial dullness of post war Britain. The poem could quite easily have been written in Belfast or Leicester, two other cities in which Larkin was the university librarian.

38. Chromosome23 Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Quote Freedoddy "I’ve heard enough stories about fishing to last me a lifetime to be honest."

    It pains me to say it, but I completely agree with you.
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    Lazarus Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Philip Larkin was a poet of some reknown, Who ended his days stamping books by the pound. In a university where all just would not see, What a lecherous, racist, disillusioned chap he could be.

    He moaned about women, he moaned about blacks, he even moaned about birds nesting in his chimney stack. But the one place he shined, I mean he truly did excel, was in the writing of sleazy little rhymes, of which he had many to sell.

40. ChiefDragon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Cavynaut while I agree that we should look to the future, the fishing industry is our heritage and one we should be proud of it.

    Freedoddy perhaps you should ask the hundreds of families who lost relatives to the fishing industry if they’re sick of it, the biggest loss being the three trawler tragedy in the sixties which left so many women to raise children without a father and the prop of the cushy welfare state we know today. So you be sick of hearing about this back breaking, soul destroying industry if you want but just remember( the next time you enjoy your fish and chips) the awful conditions these men endure to put that meal on your plate.

41. Freedoddy Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    With respect Chief Dragon, I mentioned in my post that some elements have to be preserved for posterity. The stories i’m referring to are the ones about men coming back from however long at sea, spending all their money within days on the pubs of Hessle Road and the likes, finishing the night by being thrown through a window. Agreed, its the minority but it aint a proud one in my book.

    As for the food on my plate, strike me down with fire and brimstone but…I don’t eat fish, never have.

    The main body of my original post was changing the perception from outside. Yes, the families and communities will never forget, rightly so. But some elements can rightly be consigned to folklore.

    Lets look forward.

42. ChiefDragon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Fair comment Doddy I stand corrected and apologise for the rant.

43. Freedoddy Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    No apology needed Chief Dragon. I didn’t elaborate enough to define the exact nature of my gripe.

44. ChiefDragon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    I read somewhere that Spike Milligan was due to appear in Hull and he was asked why he wanted to come to a fishing village where the people walked around in sou’westers carry fish,its an image we could really do to lose,bit like the frenchman wearing a berry and carrying onions on his bike.Like France there’s more to Hull than fish.

45. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    "The poem could quite easily have been written in Belfast or Leicester.." – but it wasn’t.

    Lazarus son

    your verse is so dull,

    about mr P. Larkin

    the bard of Hull

    the views that he held

    don’t fit with our times

    but his images burn bright -

    and some of it rhymes!!

    i thank you!!

46. Chromosome23 Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Quote Julie "– but it wasn’t"

    And neither was it written specifically about Hull. It was written in opposition to the affluent working class culture of the late 50’s and early 60’s, which Larkin (and his mate Amis), like all good middle class boys in the ‘Movement’, hated. So using it as a stick to beat Hull with is disingenuous to say the least. The poem is a comment on English working class culture, not just that of Hull.

47. LittleSquishy Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    What should be changed… Those high rise flats that the residents take no pride in keeping clean, they’re such an eyesore. Certain bus routes which only have buses once and hour or twice an hour. When they randomly take off buses if ‘its not a busy day’. Picture this – I was waiting for a bus down a street where they only come twice an hour. I had plenty of time to catch my bus and get to my appointment on time, infact, I’d have been early. It starts to rain, I can deal with rain and un-sheltered bus stops. Anyway – bus never turns up so I end up having to ring a friend and ask a favour. This friend has a relative who worked for one of the bus companies, when I explained why I was in a hurry she informed me that when it’s not a busy day they just take random buses off (yeah! the bus I was stood waiting for!) I was 10 minutes late for my appointment and I was soaking wet after waitng in the rain for a bus which never came. The government moan that people don’t use public transport. I wonder why.

    Sorry for that rant, It’s something which peeved me off and I wanted to share it.

48. Red-Dragon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    eger says: "Anyone got any ideas what "If" we could have changed BE changed..?

    My personal views are the "they" hurry up & get thet "Cut & Cover" tunnel done on Castle St (Marina)

    & also let people of HULL be able to relax in the street instead EVERYTHING is monitored with the reason of throwing "Fine’s" out AKA generating Profit for the police/Council

    more cycle lanes SPRING BANK is TERRIBLE if you have to ride a mountainbike on there"

    Tunnel now to be a flyover, I understand.

    Fines… well if you want to see your local Police force out of the bottom few in the league tables, this is what it comes down to, because they are based on statistics and detections. If fines were to be stopped tomorrow, then those "oh so accurate" statistics would put Humberside back to the bottom.

    As for cycle lanes – the day of the cycle has gone, and until they put proper cycle lanes in – such as in Holland, where they are a separate area rather than a bit of the carriageway separated from the traffic by a white line – that will not change. Ride down the path – everyone else does!

49. barrow Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    As I said on a previous post,my relations from down south came to visit us,and enjoyed Hull.They loved the Old Town and marina.They saw Hull in a different light from us,and there is a lot to be proud of in Hull,and a lot of things outsiders see and perceptions change.Then again,we never go into Hull town centre at night,and yet I was a DJ at the Hull Chese when it first opened (Moby Disc)and it was a good night out with no trouble,but not now

50. MarioTheGibbon Submitted 7 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    cavester baby, the poem "here" even mentions the "slave museum", and "ships up streets" – although descriptive of hull, it’s actually more to do with the concepts of isolation and loneliness, something that hull geographically represents. and where he lived when he wrote it.

51. Colombo Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Red Dragon. 4 months on and have you seen what they’ve done to Spring Bank West?

52. Squaggles Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    No , what’s happened to Spring Bank West ? Anything exciting ?

53. Colombo Submitted 2 months ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!

    Squaggles: Look at the post "Spring Bank West".

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