All Yours
A Brief Journey Into Sculcoates
by MikeCovell
about 1 year ago
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Historical Hull
Last updated about 1 year ago.
Sculcoates is an ancient parish that once stood 1 and half miles from the town of Kingston upon Hull.
By 1774 and the creation of "The Old Dock" (Queen’s Garden’s) Sculcoates finally joined the town, with long elongated streets and thoroughfares.
The parish had it’s own church, named St Mary’s, and built in 1760. Sadly, the church no longer exists and a newer St Mary’s church replaced it on Sculcoates Lane.
Here are a couple of shots taken some time ago, in the ancient parish of Sculcoates.
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
The bridge was built in 1874 by The Bridge and Roofing Co, designed by J.Fox. Sharp and spans the River Hull.
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I visit Wincomlee quite a lot, this was one of the first ever pictures I took in the area, as I was trying to locate a building called "Willows House". Sadly the house was destroyed sometime before 1889 to make way for Willow’s Terrace, which stood off York Street.
The Terrace along with York Street and Church Street took several hits during the blitz.
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A strange looking building, which has been left to rot!
There are several theories as to why Wincomlee was suggested as a name for the long winding street. One of the weirdest involves a landlady, who often told tall stories to her customers, during which she would wink! The name "Wink and Lie" thus becoming Wincomlee!
Another suggestion centres around the cranes left along the river to the rear of the many mills which were abundant in the area. "Winch" on the "Leigh" thus becoming "Wincomlee"
Another, more plausible, theory centres around the town being called "Wyke" "Holm" being the island which the ancient parish was built upon, and "Lea" as in the meadow, in which the parish was built. We then have "Wyke Holm Lea" or A meadow at Wyke on an island of dry ground surrounded by marsh!!
I prefer it’s original name "Church Street," which possibly took it’s name from the proximity of "St Mary’s Church"
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Another view looking in the opposite direction from Swann Street.
Swann Street was named after John Swann, who designed the street in 1868, he also named nearby Oxford street, York street and Lincoln street.
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Very few echoes of the past remain, but thankfully this abandoned Tallow Mill is one of them!
I took this shot looking north along Wincomlee, as I was looking for the Union Mill, little did I know, that I was on the spot where the entrance to the mill once stood!
The large building in the distance is a former Oil Crushing Mill, "Lion Mills".
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The buildings in the foreground with the red doors are built on the spot of the old "Wincomlee Works".
The large mill in the distance is "The Anglo Oil Mills"
During the 1800’s, there was a lot of money to be made in seed crushing, and the fact that there was little wastage would have helped boost profits.
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Still on the bridge looking North this time. The skyline along this river bank would have included mills such as, "The Bridge Works", which was a tar distillery, "The Albion Oil Mill," and "Alexandra Oil Mill."
Spiller’s mill can be seen tilting on the right of the picture as this was taken in the weeks after it was demolished!
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This old mill still dominates the skyline along Wincomlee and although it is in need of repair, it is a proud relic of a bygone age.
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One of the finest looking buildings purely because of it’s simplicity! The building dates from 1880, when Mr. Morris ran the pub for Mr. W. Glossop, its owner. The building under went building works in the 1930’s but externally little was changed. The building closed its doors in August 1970, and is used by several business!
Standing on the junction of Green Lane and Wincomlee. The High Flags can be seen on the right of the picture.
Green lane was named after the view it offered, but it soon became a warren of slums and in 1849 was badly affected by the Cholera epidemic!
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Looking towards Hull with the Maizecor buildings dominating the skyline. High Flags can be seen on the right, and were devised as a footpath over the two drains which met the River Hull here.
The long gone Duke of Cumberland public house was often refered to locally as "The High Flags"
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At one point this building was a bank and sought to the finacial needs of the local mill owners and residents that resided in the packed streets.
The street off to the right is Lincoln Street, with Wincomlee on the left.
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Barmston street was initially called "Cotton Mill Street" after the Kingston Cotton Mill which was once situated there. By 1863, immigration problems had given the area a bad reputation, and a name change was in order, Barmston Street.
I visited the drain for research into Hull Born Jack the Ripper supect, Robert D’Onston Stephenson.
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Standing on the bridge and looking down Barmston street, Northumberland Avenue is just off to the right.
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Standing on the bridge looking towards the High Flags. I love the fact that this little oasis is fighting to hide the industry!
More to follow
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RoyChandler Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Do you have any more information on the Cotton Mill or sources of information? Any info would be appreciated
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Hi Roy, would this be the Cotton Mill on what was termed Cotton Mill street?
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RoyChandler Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Dear Mike
Well I thought the KCM was on Cumberland Street but there was another Mill which I’m not so interested in.
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly
Roy
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
If so there is a little information in Paul Gibson’s excellent pictorial history of Hull, entitled "Hull Then and Now". The book is available from Carnegie Heritage Centre on Anlaby road with proceeds going to the worthy cause of keeping the centre open!
It states that Barmston street was initially known as Cotton Mill street after the mill which was erected in 1845. The name changed in 1863 to Barmston street, after the creation of the local drain.
Attached is a map showing Cotton mill street and surrounding areas. I got this map as I was trying to establish the distance between Barmston drain and Wincolmlee during the 1860’s.
Recommended reading, Paul Gibson’s "Hull-Then and Now"
Members of Hull and District Local History Research Groups, "A Breath of Sculcoates"
Both are available now.
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RoyChandler Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Mike
Thanks very much for that. I’ll look into those books. Other sources placed the mill further north at the junction of Cumberland St and Fountain Road.
Ver best wishes Roy
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
That sounds about right, the name change reffered to the drain being built at the end of the street and not the location of the mill.
There were also other types of Cotton Mills in Sculcoates, those making Gun Cotton for the American Civil War. One such mill was the Union Mill, run by Richard Stephenson snr as a oil, bone and manure mill until it was sold. After the sale it was used to make gun cotton, but has sadly being lost.
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RoyChandler Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Well, I finally made it to Hull yesterday. No sign of the Kingston cotton Mill though. I went to an archive north of Fountain Road where they were very helpful. They had maps of the area with the old mills indicated but I could find nothing left of the Flax mill on the other side ofthe river. Brown’s books had nothing, but I found ‘Breath of Sculcoates’ in Waterstones. ‘Hull Then and Now’ I bought in a shop on Anlaby Road opposite Tower Cinema – stupidly forgot to note the name so if you could let me know I’d be grateful. Old Carnegie Library very helpful too
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
You should have said you where coming. Although I have shopped at the little antique shop on Anlaby road on numerous occasions I have no idea of it’s name! I buy a lot of postcards from there and they are really helpful.
Carnegie Library is great, and always has a warm, welcoming atmosphere.
I buy a lot of local history books via Waterstones and Browns, but I have found a lot of rare older titles available via amazon.
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RoyChandler Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Mike, thanks. I think the shop is Grannie’s Parlour. I’ll let you know next time I’m up – scheduled for mid-July. Best wishes, Roy
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
My email is in my profile if you ever want a free tour. Just let me know. By that time, fingers crossed, the new combined archive centre will be open, or at nearly ready to open!!
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HarryDownes Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Hi Mike- On the corner of Wincolmlee and George Street there now stands a car park.Back in the 50’s/60/s era.there was some buildings in the area highlighted by the arrow in the centre of the attached photo.Have you any info on the companies that owned the buildings that once stood on this site?.The reason I am asking,is that I have some information to pass on that may be of some use to you,in your research of the area.In would be interesting to find out if there was any photos of that area in that period also.
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Hi Harry, I know that in the 1967 Kingston Communications Telephone Directory of Hull, there is a listing for Dawber Townsley Ltd Builders and Plumbers Merchants, North Bridge Offices and Park Road Offices.
This was the first time the company was linked to this location, having previous offices and yards on West Street, Park Road, Old Dock Side, Trippett, and many other locations across the city.
That said, I always thought the Dawber firm where on the side between the river and Wincolmlee.
The only map of this location that I have is pre-1930’s and shows North Bridge in it’s original position, off what was Charlotte Street.
On the North Side, where Napoleons Casino stands was Maw, Till, Kirke and Co. These were furnishers but the company ceased in the late 1930’s.
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
There are some photo’s in Paul Gibson’s "Hull-Then and Now" book showing the area.
And also pictures in Paul Gibson’s "Kingston upon Hull-The Second Selection"
Failing that, Carnegie Library should have stills and maps of the area.
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HarryDownes Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Thanks for that Info Mike. I will post back later in the day with more info which you may find useful at some time or other.
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Great, thanks Harry, and welcome to the group!
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HarryDownes Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Thats me back again Mike.Well,to start with,on the corner of Wincolmlee there was a 2 or possibly 3 storey building owned by Hull Telephones(now KC).It was used as a depot for the construction and storage of the cream coloured telephone boxes that we are all familiar with. At the rear of the building (facing towards Queens Gardens),there was a large walled enclosed yard in which the kiosks were stored.The reason I know this is my father was the Foreman joiner there throughout the 50/60’s.I also spent many a lunchbreak there when I worked nearby for a Timber Importers(Smart & Elsom) whose head office was in George St,where the multi-storey car park now stands on the corner of George Street and Wilberforce Drive.
Back in the depot,the whole ground floor was taken up with a sizeable Joiners Shop with full-size bandsaws and lathes and adjoining wood store.Work carried out also included french-polishing and upholstery.From there, my father carried out maintainence and installalations at Telephone house(in Carr Lane),Mytongate Telephone exchange and other surrounding exchanges at Kirkella,Cottingham,Beverley and Bilton.In his time,he erected over 300 kiosks in Hull and the surrounding villages.
The 2nd Floor was used a Social & Recreation Club for the employees of Hull Telephones. The club later moved location to South Church Side(Next to Holy Trinity).The club was above a large specialized toolshop called Kings which was well known at the time.
Next to the Hull Telephones Depot in Wincolmlee,there was a large Pickle Factory.The adjoining yard at the rear was full of oak barrels containing vinegar.The name of the factory could have been the Humber Pickle Co.I can recall the man in charge was named Wilf Gamble(or Gambol).I am not sure if he was the owner or just the manager.
I can recall Dawber Townsley’s on the river side of Wincolmlee,but not its exact location. Anyway Mike thats it,I might have gone a bit but I was trying to paint a picture of how it was.Hope it is of some use to you- Cheers,Harry
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Wow, thanks Harry.
I remember the White Telephone boxes, but being only 30, don’t recall where they were made. I do recall regular walks over the bridge but back then, unlike now, I was too young to respect and appreciate what companies and buildings here in the locale.
I would have looked at the trade directories at Local Studies, but having it closed is a nightmare, and I have to rely on my book collection, and box of maps.
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HarryDownes Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Mike- I forgot to add this bit of trivia.The black telephone and cradle(see pic) was at one time the only phone in use in most homes in Hull.My father told me that they were all replaced by a more modern phone.The old ones were gathered in and thrown into Queens Dock when they were filling it in 1930.There is tens of thousands of them buried under the soil in Queens Gardens
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
That’s great! I heard a few things about both Queen’s Dock and Princes Dock over the years, and the things that where disposed of!
One such story comes from a friend, who early one morning was watching the foundations being laid for Princes Quay. He was stood on Monument Bridge, looking over the water, when a frail old lady came and stood beside him, gently grabbing his arm.
"They will find hundreds of infant bodies in there" she wispered, before vanishing. He was adamant there was no one there, and that she couldn’t have walked off as there was a clear line of sight for yards!
Dawber and Stephenson, which was an early version of Dawber and Townsley, had offices, yards and showrooms all around Queen’s Dock, way back when it was originally called "The Old Dock".
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Colombo Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
I have, somewhere, a Mail cutting from c1928, recording when my father jumped into Princes Dock from Monument Bridge to rescue someone. My father thought that he had fallen in. It turned out that he was a would-be suicide. My father, whose suit was ruined, said that if he had known that, he would have held him under. I think my father received a small, even by those days, reward which didn’t cover the cost of his suit.
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HarryDownes Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Mike- I came upon this site and thought it may be of some interest to you-albeit all American.
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MikeCovell Submitted about 1 year ago Unsuitable Content? Report it!
Thanks for that Harry, will take a good look later today. I have a lot of friends in America spanning the country and they are always sending me stuff similar to that, but it’s the first time I have seen it, so will look later.
We have secured a very old Hull building for a paranormal investigation this weekend, it has so much history, and I feel really honoured to be a part of it.
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